Talk: Stranger in a Strange Land

Press Release![]

“Stranger in a Strange Land” – A power play ensues between Jack and “The Others” as Juliet’s future hangs in the balance. Meanwhile, Kate, Sawyer and Karl continue on their journey away from “Alcatraz,” on “Lost,” WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 21 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.

“Lost” stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Michael Emerson as Ben, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet, Dominic Monaghan as Charlie and Terry O’Quinn as Locke.

Guest starring are M.C. Gainey as Mr. Friendly/Tom, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Kimberly Joseph as Cindy, Bai Ling as Achara, Diana Scarwid as Isabel, Shannon Chanhthanam as Thai boy, Siwathep Sunapo as Thai man and James Huang as Chet.

“Stranger in a Strange Land” was written by Elizabeth Sarnoff & Christina M. Kim and directed by Paris Barclay.

”Lost” is broadcast in 720 Progressive (720P), ABC’s selected HDTV format, with 5.1-channel surround sound and Spanish audio via SAP.

A TV parental guideline will be assigned closer to airdate.

Let's start editing! ODK Talk Sandbox 13:20, 5 February 2007 (PST)

Thai Characters and Jack's Tattoo[]

I noticed that there are a lot of Thai characters in this one and being that it is a Jack flashback, I think we may get an explanation of the tattoo that jack has on his shoulder. I understand that Matthew Fox had this tattoo before he got the part of Jack, but they may have written in a link between the tattoo and the show. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nischwartz (talk • contribs) .

I'm guess it happens in Phuket, Thailand, specifically, as Sawyer suggested it was where Jack got his "ink" during the game of poker in which Jack won back all the medicine from Sawyer.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ethanmachine (talk • contribs) .

Actually, Jack's tattoo is in Chinese, not Thai. There are a lot of Chinese-speaking people in Thailand, though, so it is not a stretch to see his character getting the tattoo there. Bellemichelle 10:37, 19 February 2007 (PST)

I don't understand why the translation given on the show doesn't match up with the actual translation (Jack's Tattoo). Anyone understand this? --Bantab 20:37, 21 February 2007 (PST)

Matthew Fox really has that tattoo; this episode explained why, as least as far as the show goes. So even though that's not actually what it says, it's understood that on the show it's supposed to say "He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us" or whatever the exact words were. --Clcrhiggaeeermo

I don't understand a single "Chinese word" that Isabel said, and I am a Chinese! Lavender 04:18, 22 February 2007 (PST)

I thought this was just me, but apparently not. I'm Chinese (Mandarin) also, and I didn't understand her either. I thought maybe she was speaking in Cantonese or her accent was really bad (more likely, with a Western actress), but I'm going to have to listen to that again, it didn't sound right. --Pandora X 04:39, 22 February 2007 (PST)

- I come from Hong kong, so I speak Cantonese and Mandarin, what Isabel said just didn't sound Chinese at all! Actually, I thought it was Thai in the beginning. And I really have many questions about Jack's tattoo. Questions like, Achara is suppose to be Thai, right? Because of her name. But she marked Jack with Chinese words! --Lavender 20:25, 22 February 2007 (PST)

Trivia[]

The song Sawyer sings at the beginning on the boat is from "Show Me The Way to Go Home," music and lyrics, Irving King and Hal Swain, 1925; also featured in the movie Jaws.

Isabelle mentions to Jack about his tattoos being "lost in translation" "Lost In Translation" is a name of a previous Lost episode.

The title of this episode is both the title of a novel by Robert A. Heinlein, and the title of three different songs, one by English heavy metal band, Iron Maiden, one by American songwriter Leon Russell, and by Irish rock band, U2. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dwyn2435 (talk • contribs) .

Any of the songs related to either the book or the biblical passage?--Tricksterson 06:55, 24 February 2007 (PST)

The name of that episode was actually '...In Translation' Kdivad 20:13, 21 February 2007 (PST)

... Point being, take the series title, "Lost", and add "In Translation". Lost in Translation! Just like "...And Found".--Joel Van Atta 21:11, 21 February 2007 (PST)

The title is originally a quotation in Exodus 2:22.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emouse33 (talk • contribs) .

"And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom: for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land." - Exodus 2:22 from the KJV. -- ZachsMind 18:20, 21 February 2007 (PST)

Cindy and the Tailies.[]

Pain in the neck that Cindy wouldn't give Jack any straight answers, but did anybody get a good look at that teddy bear? Was it the same one that Eko and Jin saw during "...And Found"? Burt Gummer

Can someone verify if this is the scene that was produced over a year ago and never used? The kids looked the same as they did during "The Other 48 Days" but by now they'd probably be too old to play those parts. -- ZachsMind 10:54, 22 February 2007 (PST)

No they look much older now. Check out the stills of them from Season 2. I was thinking while watching it that they look a year older (which they actually are), rather than the few months older that they should be in the story. It's really obvious with the boy.

Emma asking about Ana Lucia. Why did she think Jack would know? Emma and Zack were dragged off the Tailies beach after a fortnight. It was 7 weeks after the plane crash before the surviving Tailies set off to join the Losties, and Cindy got snatched. Then another 3 weeks or so before Ana Lucia was shot. So it sounds like Emma knows enough about events on the island (perhaps through Cindy) to think Jack would know about Ana Lucia, but not enough to know what happened to Ana Lucia. Burt Gummer
In the unanswered questions section a question is raised what Cindy and the Tailies are therefore to watch. I think it's just to see the trial of Julliet.--Boumie 15:22, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Achara's Gesture[]

Are we sure that the gesture Achara makes is a Namaste and not a Wai?

Well, it's both really, because the Wai is basically the Thai equivalent of the Indic Namaste. Bellemichelle 07:07, 22 February 2007 (PST)

Three biggest misteries?[]

The trailer on ABC said that this episode would give answers to the three biggest mysteries of Lost (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm puzzled: what could those answers be? Jack's tatoos and...? Or was just a marketing stunt to let people watch the episode? gabro

try listening to the official lost podcast, basically yes it was a marketing plot. But, 1) Jack's Tattoos, 2) The children that were kidnapped 3) Cindy --lewisg 09:35, 22 February 2007 (PST)

Ya, Damon and Carlton were smart for coming straight and saying that the promo was misleading. -Mr.Leaf 09:36, 22 February 2007 (PST)

They have no control over promos and have complained about them before. --Minderbinder 09:56, 22 February 2007 (PST)

Actually, one of the Big Three may have been the fact that this is the first time it has been Confirmed in show that the Others do not live on Hyrda Island. We've been able to extrapolate it before, but they never actually told us on the show itself. Cindy and the Kids i count as half an answer each, since all we know now is that they're alive.--Ex-Pope Cardinal Richard Corey 11:10, 22 February 2007 (PST)

The boat[]

In the unanswered questions section, there's a comment about the two boats being the same. There's no screenshot up yet from last night, but there is no way it's the same boat. The huge size difference alone proves that. Should that be removed, countered, or just left? Fatburger 10:59, 22 February 2007 (PST)

What I saw was a much larger boat than The Others' boat. Speculation: perhaps it's the boat from the Science Expedition, which crashed, but potentially fixed by The Others? --Kensol 11:18, 22 February 2007 (PST)

That's definitely possible, but from what we've seen the Others don't lack for funding, so it's entirely possible that they have their own boats. I wouldn't assume, until we hear Danielle yell in French "Hey, you thieving bastards, that's my boat!" -BearDog 11:24, 22 February 2007 (PST)

I added some screenshots to the yacht page, and when you look at the positioning of the front windows on Michael's boat and the yacht, they are clearly not the same boat. I took the liberty of removing the "unanswered question" but if anyone is offended by that I am truly sorry. --Lostmind 15:44, 22 February 2007 (PST)

I saw three boats in that scene, the rowboat used to get them off shore, a small motored boat similar to the one used in Walt's kidnapping and to get Michael and Walt off the island, and off in the distance, what looked like a rather large yacht sized boat. But yeah, will have to wait for the scren caps. --Jackdavinci 11:23, 22 February 2007 (PST)

- I actually thought the same, but wasn't very sure about it. I'm waiting for some good screenshots. Fatburger 13:12, 22 February 2007 (PST)

I didn't get as close a look at it, but isn't it possible it was simply Desmond's boat? They took it from the ferry and we haven't seen it since, after all. --Atiaxi 18:57, 22 February 2007 (PST)

The Others' yacht is definitely not Desmond's Sailboat, or The Others' boat that Michael & Walt left on. --Kensol 14:13, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Glass house and stones[]

"You see this glass house you live in, Jack? How about I bring you some stones?" - I didn't get it. Is it some cultural reference? Some figure of speech? --Perpetka 12:28, 22 February 2007 (PST)

It's a proverb: "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". It means don't be hypocritical i.e. Tom was saying that Jack shouldn't criticise The Others because he has (in Tom's eyes) done things that are just as bad. I have no idea what these things might be.

See the crimes of the islanders page. Surpringly, the Losties themselves have had their own far share of trouble making. --Jackdavinci 13:14, 22 February 2007 (PST)

I think there's a matter of degree in this phrase. There's a biblical proverb, "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye, when you can't see the plank in your own?", which really does mean who are you to criticise others when you are worse than them. The one about glass houses is a bit desperate though; it's what a mass murderer might say to deflect criticism from a shoplifter!

My favourite one comes from The Dukes Of Hazzard TV show, when uncle Jesse tells the boys, "If you resort to the same dirty tricks as your enemy, what makes you better'n them?":)Burt Gummer

The stone house must be something more real than a biblical reference: the stone house is some kind of prision, like "the door", where we saw stones on the door... (maybe this name is ironic, in order to have a door impossible to use, because the stones..

New editors[]

I noticed there are a lot of seemingly new editors adding things are prbably best moved to the theories tab or the discussion page. There's also some confusion (for me sometimes too) over what exactly belongs in trivia vs cultural references vs unanswered questions (and whether to just put spoken references or also visual and stylistic references). Maybe for the first week after a show airs we could have a 'editing episode articles' banner with a link to some guides about general policies and specific guidelines for episode pages for new users and as a reference for less new people so there is consistancy. --Jackdavinci 13:12, 22 February 2007 (PST)

Otherville[]

If the otherville is on the same main island, that explains how in the first episode of this season ben told them that they can run to the place where the parts of the airplane landed

I always thought it was. I think it's clear from the picture of Otherville that it's in a crater near a bay, which is something that appears at the bottom of Danielle's map. Perhaps Hydra island is the one labelled "Alex" on the map.--Jackdavinci 15:46, 23 February 2007 (PST)

The Others[]

I had an unanswered question which was essentially asking why Isabel and the Others don't like going to the experiment island? Why was this taken off? I think it's important enough to the storyline to keep it there, so I'm going to put it back.

The Theory Policy is a right bugger, really easy to fall foul of. You are not supposed to express theories as a question. If you want to respond to someone else's theory - don't do it on the Theories page, use the Discussion page instead. Lord knows what you're supposed to do when there's a theory on the Theories page that doesn't appear on the Discussions page, or an Unanswered Question that doesn't relate to any pre-existing theories. Who decides what fits and what doesn't? Seems totally arbitrary to me!

My suggestion is to put your comment on the Discussion page. If it doesn't get explained away, rewrite it on the theory page. If it doesn't get shot down there, put it in the Unanswered Questions.

For what it's worth, I reckon the Others don't like going to the Hydra for the same reason the rest of us don't like going to work! Plus, their work looks a bit nasty, brutal and demoralising.Burt Gummer

The list of episodes on top of each episode-page, must be removed[]

the list of episodes where we have in every episode-page (like this, for example) is a spoiler we couldn´t avoid to watch.... for example: i didn´t know the character flasbacks of the 2 or 3 episodes will watch the coming weeks... isn´t possible to eliminate this diagram with the episodes list and the flasbacks of eeeveryy episode description and discussion? it must be under spoiler button access, or something —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fuzter lost (talk • contribs) .

The policy of Lostpedia at this time is to consider all information officially released by ABC media net in a public announcement to be nonspoilerish. Those episodes are only added to the template after that. --Pandora X 06:08, 28 February 2007 (PST)

Does anyone care that Danny Pickett is dead?[]

All the Others on the Hydra island seemed pretty upset by Colleen's death. But it seems like they can't even be bothered to have a funeral for Pickett. Is it because they were preoccupied with Juliet's trial? Were they only pretending to give a damn about Colleen because Pickett was there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Burt Gummer (talk • contribs) .

I'm Sorry, but What's Happening with Lost?[]

In my opinion, this episode sucked. I mean yeah, Cindy and Emma, wow. Big deal. Lost has really been disappointing me lately, and Tricia Tanaka had BETTER be better. Maybe it's just because I'm readying pre-spoilers, but meh, Ionno... :: |†|[ K i t s u n e ]|†|

Why send your good surgeon into danger?[]

It seems like sending Ethan to the main beach sure was a dumb idea. Why did Ben decide to send Ethan instead of someone else? Because he was close by? Fastest? --GregH 11:32, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Juliet was romantically involved with Ethan, and Ben was jealous. Ethan seemed interested in her in Not in Portland, in my opinion. :: |†|[ K i t s u n e ]|†|

Well in Maternity Leave, Tom gave the impression that Ethan had acted too quickly in bringing Claire to the Staff. Also, Ethan's fondness of Claire was a big factor. I mean after she escaped, the Others could have really gone and got her back if they wanted. The Losties were now aware that there was some pre-existing group on the island by that point so it's not as though the Others would have been to afraid of exposing themeselves. Maybe Ethan had a bit of a romantic interest in Claire, I don't know. Also, he did appear to the The Others' main medical expert, and if infertility is really a major problem for the Others, then Claire would have been something he'd be willing to risk a lot for. All in all, I think Ben wasn't expecting Ethan to get so involved, and even if he had, I doubt he could have forseen him getting shot multiple times.

What's the song's name which we can hear in the place where Jack is waiting for Achara,while she turns up and goes to the place where she works?[]

Hello,I have been searching for the name of the song which we can hear in this episode in the place where Jack is drinking some drink when he suddenly realizes that Achara turns up and heads straight to her working place.(The scene before Jack forces Achara to tell him who he really is and asks her lately to paint the tattoo on his arm)

Information of the song:

It is being sung by a man It's the song which is possibly the same song which is playing while Achara enters her working place

Please,if you find it drop me a line here or e-mail me at world.of.repigera@gmail.com

Thanks.(It's that I can't live without this song since I loved it)

Juliet's mark visible in Achara's "workshop"[]

Like many, I have never been fond of this episode for a number of reasons, but I'm rewatching the whole series and just got to ASIASL. I just noticed that the same symbol that Juliet was branded with can be seen on the wall in Achara's shop over Jack's left shoulder. Andreabt 11:23, 1 June 2008 (PDT)

I saw it to... this may be notale if anybody can get a screencap... DieYoungStayPretty 19:34, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

One of the best episodes[]

Foreshadowing --- that's the word Kate and Sawyer cannot make it as a couple.

Jack is marked as the sacrifice. His beating foreshadows his death.

jack saves Juilet so she may die later.

jack saves Ben in real time. He saves Locke in sideways time.

Ben commands but will soon find that he is being deceived. Jack is the leader. Ben is a follower of his true enemy.

Ben will live and jack will die. reversal of positions

Ben throws out the rules. He will do that again.

Finally, Ben has all the pieces of the puzzle in front of him, but he cannot give it meaning. Why of the tumors in medicine, he needs to have the one that Jack can cure? Why does Juilet help Jack? He has spent all these hours with Locke who continues to tell him: all things have purpose. Ben makes a tremendous error as he ignores the evidence right in front of him.--Past recaptured 19:59, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Some good points. But it still doesn't make up for the fact that the flashback was stupid and the promo hyped it up as answering major mysteries. :)--Baker1000 23:37, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Bare feet[]

Since my previous edits in "Not in Portland" were reversed despite being correct (e.g. no mention of pregnancy in X-rays), I'd ike to start a topic before making an edit here, though it's smaller detail now. Synopsis says Juliet's "bare feet are tied", but she does have shoes on her feet. Besides it doesn't seem her feet are tied - only hands. So can the change be made? Gevorg89 (talk) 16:35, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

As long as you leave an explanation in the edit summary, it should be ok to change it. Sometimes people assume long-standing info is correct, and when it gets removed they think it's supposed to be there and put it back. So an explanation should cover it (or your edit summary can direct people to this talk page). Shambala108 (talk) 22:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)