Main Character[]
Is the main character in this really Jack? I don't think so at all, it's either Christian or Vincent, id be leaning towards Vincent even though he's a dog! --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 06:02, 28 January 2008 (PST)
I see your point.--Mc peko 06:06, 28 January 2008 (PST)
It's definatly Vincent. -- Dee4leeds talk contribs all 06:15, 28 January 2008 (PST)
I agree, we see more from Vincent's POV.--Baker1000 06:50, 28 January 2008 (PST)
Agreed. Jack has no lines and most (all?) the footage of him is stock footage. I agree with Vincent as the main character, and I'd say Christian is more of a main character than Jack. --Compossible 18:57, 29 January 2008 (PST)
I'd say it's Vincent. Joeykanga 01:22, 15 February 2008 (PST)
Important?[]
This might well be the most (only?) important mobisode, setting us up for a Season 4 reveal about the nature of the island and Christian and Vincent's part in it. So far, only this and The Envelope have lived up to the promise of these things, and that one was an outtake! --Pedxing 07:31, 28 January 2008 (PST)
- I'd add Room 23 and remove "the envelope" but otherwise agree. There were way too many mobisodes that added nothing. Dharmatel4 07:37, 28 January 2008 (PST)
- Was the envelope even that good? We learnt that Amelia, a character we have seen on one occasion and very unlikely we will see again, MAY have known about Ben's X-rays.. Woopty-doo.. This is the only one that actually has any value. The only good thing that has come out of the mobisodes other than this is seeing Michael back again. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 08:05, 28 January 2008 (PST)
- Add King of the Castle to that list of important mobisodes. Ben tells Jack he'll want to return some day, remember?--Baker1000 08:59, 28 January 2008 (PST)
When online?[]
Normally webisodes go on abc.com a week after the phone version. Anyone know if this one will be up earlier since the new season starts Thursday? I know the leaked version is up, just curious when ABC will put it up officially. --Minderbinder 14:37, 28 January 2008 (PST)
Ummm..WTF!!!![]
Did anyone get this mob? Is it meant to be the Monster talking to Vincent? Most confusing one, but the coolest. --Blueeagleislander 17:09, 28 January 2008 (PST)
- The fact that it's not just Jack seeing Christian anymore, and the fact that Jack wakes up right after Christian says he has work to do, makes me think, yeah either were dealing with the Monster and it can be seen by more than just it's target, or we're dealing with Jacob and Christian is the much rumored identity of him...Voodoo 09:06, 30 January 2008 (PST)
- The problem with either idea is that Christian calls Jack "my son". That works against him being Jacob or the monster. And there is also the reference to Christian being alive and off-island at the end of season 3. Jacob, the monster and whatever Christian is seem to be all tied together but there is no good explaination how yet. Dharmatel4 09:46, 30 January 2008 (PST)
- Also, even if Jacob or the Monster knew that Christian was Jacks father, why would they take on "Christian-form" to go to Vincent? Why not take a different form that Vincent would recognize such as Michael or Walt? The Monster seems to take the form of someone its victims recognize, not just a random individual that has no (known) connection to them.--Rachelkm 17:27, 1 February 2008 (PST)
Smokey![]
At about 15 seconds in, when we're still in "Vincent cam" mode, I swear I can see smokey in the center of the screen, just about where "Christian" appears! Good dog! --Pedxing 19:00, 28 January 2008 (PST)
- I thought the exact same thing. I tried to get it to pause so I could get a better look, but it didn't work for a few times then I gave up. :) -- WanderingMathematician talk contribs email 20:18, 28 January 2008 (PST)
I see what you're looking at, but I think it's just part of the background and not the monster because it doesn't appear to be billowing or anything. Granted it's on screen for less than a second, but with the shaky cam, the digital effects to make the monster appear for that short a period of time wouldn't really be worth it in my opinion. Plus, if the monster were meant to be in the mobisode, I think we would've heard its noises. Jimbo the tubby 23:34, 28 January 2008 (PST)
Whether or not we actually see "smokey", I think we can all agree that Christian was most likely a manifestation of the monster. It read Eko's mind in The 23rd Psalm, which is how it was able to mimic Yemi, and probably got Jack's memories before he woke up. The repercussions of this when watching White Rabbit are huge, because it is possible that Jack was following the monster through the jungle, and that it may have been on the beach twice, and even in the water! This would be the first time (I think) it has ever appeared on the beach or in the water.
I can't agree that he was a manifestation. Remember that Jack talks about his father during the flashforward in "Through the Looking Glass, Part 1". I'm not saying for sure either way, but there are definite possibilities beyond the monster. Jimbo the tubby 21:24, 17 February 2008 (PST)
TENNIS SHOE[]
did nobody else notice the tennis shoes on Christian?! i couldn't tell if one was off or not, but that COULD explain the significance of the tennis shoe.--Dharmascool 20:16, 28 January 2008 (PST)
Who has work to do?[]
Can we actually treat it as fact that Christian is referring to Jack when he says, "he has work to do"? He waits until Vincent is gone to say it, and is looking at the dog when he makes the comment, indicating that he might actually be referring to Vincent and not Jack. I don't think it's likely, but I do think it is worth noting on the main page. --e. magill 08:45, 29 January 2008 (PST)
- Yes we can treat it as referring to Jack. The wording is " I need you to go wake him up. Ok. Go on. He has work to do." It would be "you have work to do" if it were Vincent. Dharmatel4 08:55, 29 January 2008 (PST)
- I'm not convinced. He waits several beats before saying, "he has work to do," so it's possible he's talking to himself at that point, especially since Vincent is well out of earshot. --e. magill 08:57, 29 January 2008 (PST)
- I agree; he waits until Vincent is out of earshot before he says "He has work to do," so we cannot be entirely sure that "he" refers to Jack (though it is indeed more likely). In past episodes, Vincent has been the impetus for (or at least has been involved in) many important events, such as Shannon's death, Walt's polar bear attack, etc. As we see, Vincent is working with this Christian entity (be it the Monster, Jacob, whatever), so it should not be dismissed as a possibility that Vincent has deliberately worked at shaping some of the events that we have seen take place on the island, whether or not at the behest of others. Thus, "He has work to do" may in fact refer to Vincent.--Liuvatar 10:43, 29 January 2008 (PST)
- coughs* erm.. dogs cant understand english to my knowledge.. at least where i come from.. so i dont think waiting for him to be out of earshot is going to make too much difference.. (and yes i know someone is going to come back and say that christian talked to the dog and told him to wake jack up, but personally that wasnt the point of the mobisode, the point of the mobisode was that Christian is seen walking around by things outside of Jacks mind, that is the information that the mobisode intended to release) --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 13:21, 29 January 2008 (PST)
- I'm not so sure I understand what makes you able to conclude that the one and only message that this mobisode was trying to convey was that Christian is seen by other creatures. Nor do you offer any reason why that is the only conclusion that we can reach based on the events we see take place. Look at the page on Wally Bole, for instance: "It's not just that they're trying to talk to us, they're also listening... intently." So, based on the evidence offered through the entire Lost universe, it seems quite possible to me that Vincent does in fact understand Christian, whether through language or some other means.--Liuvatar 14:14, 29 January 2008 (PST)
- I say this because even though Lost is full of supernatural suprises, im still holding on to the fact that the overall outcome will have a roughly believable story to it, and as such, a dog being able to understand human speech isnt exactly part of that. The dog was told to "go over", which is a command some dogs understand. No dog has been taught "you have work to do". But I just want to add thats just my opinion!! Of course I could be wrong, I often am :) --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 15:01, 29 January 2008 (PST)
How about this: Vincent *can* understand because he isn't a dog. Vincent never survived the crash. The Monster hasn't taken form as Christian, but as....VINCENT!! It's all making sense now. I'm *loving* this theory...--Bagpuss 07:10, 7 March 2008 (PST)
Vincent[]
Does Madison or Pono portray Vincent in the mobisode?Orhan94 13:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Physical Contact[]
Is this the first time one of the "undead" physically touches a character?--Tricksterson 12:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
The Nemesis, setting it all up[]
In light of the events of The Incident, Parts 1 & 2, I think it's a very real possibility that most, if not all of the living manifestations of the corpses on the island (Yemi, Locke, Alex, etc) are simply appearances of Jacob's enemy. Of course, Christian Shephard would fit into this category as well. It would seem, then, that "christian" here is starting a sequence of events ("So It Begins") that will eventually lead to Nemesis' loophole. In this particular snapshot, I'll admit the events are not absolutely essential (even if Vincent hadn't wondered over to him, Jack would've woke eventually), but in later times when we see him (Jack's White Rabbit, Locke following his instructions to "move the island" from the cabin) he is further setting into motion his endgame with his loophole. Could this scene right here be the beginning of his manipulations of the losties on-island? (Of course, he may have started much earlier to actually get them on the island...) Flashesb4ur8s 04:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with most of this, but it seems that the Nemesis wanted to use Jack at first to kill Jacob, but Jack ran to the beach instead of going to see Christian first. Then, the Nemesis was going to use Eko, but instead killed him. Finally, the Nemesis landed on using Locke.--Turniphead Danny 17:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Christian's Idenity[]
The article is indicating the character of Christian as MiB. MiB, himself says that it's him within the storyline. Since MiB has been known to lie, I'm not sure he's to be trusted in giving this information as canon to the storyline. I don't recall Lindelof or Cuse ever confirming this point. By not confirming Christian as MiB, I believe the article is reflecting user/fan opinion and should be modified to reflect the scene as it is presented. --Just Sayin' JSTalk LBC LBCTalk eMail 14:43, August 21, 2011 (UTC)