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Voice actor[]

Do we know who's voice (actor-wise) is on the phone? Jimbo the tubby 01:22, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
I remember hearing somewhere that this was Damon Lindelof? Sounded too manly to be Damon though :p --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 10:52, 25 May 2007 (PDT)

I agree it's too manly to be Damon. Plus I remember someone saying that Damon was the voice of the pilot on the PA in the opening. Jimbo the tubby 13:51, 25 May 2007 (PDT)

Are we sure of the spelling of this character's name? Wrecktum 21:49, 25 May 2007 (PDT)

It's not damon people. Also he didn't sound that excited when jack called him. My theroire is minkowski could be part of a much broader story to come. Ben said something about the island needed to be protected, me thinks hes right, and this guy is actully part of the "real others" that, most likey by the end of the 4th season both the losties and the others we come to know and love will join forces and fight the real others. Jack wanted to go back to the island, this could be connected to my story. .Chirs 08:06 8/22/2007 PDT

  • The article states that the voice actor from the original airing of "Looking Glass" is different than the one from the recap. The recap aired tonight ("Past, Present, and Future") had the same exact voice, not the new actor. So did the Previously on Lost at the beginning of 4x01. You can definitely tell a difference, and they played it off by Minkowski continually stating that he doesn't have a good signal and his voice coming through fuzzy and higher pitch at times; then Naomi fixed it before she died so the channel was clear. macosx 19:30, 31 January 2008 (PST)

The actor on the other end of the satellite phone was Fisher Stevens. Being familiar with the actor, I know his voice, and I also saw his name in the opening credits. Anticrash 23:07, 31 January 2008 (PST)

Yeah it's 100% Stevens, and there has been more than one news report mentioning his casting as Minkowski, not to mention that was definitely his very distinct voice last night. However,there's a fight brewing on the talk page for last night's episode, someone keeps deleting Minkowski and typing in UNCONFIRMED it it's place because -- horrors -- it wasn't on the ABC press release. Which is BS because it was obviously him. ... grrr some people on this site are so up tight it drives me nuts. --Jeff 20:45, 1 February 2008 (PST)
So I guess we still don't know who played the voice of Minkowski in Season 3 before Stevens was cast? Robert K S 02:59, 2 February 2008 (PST)

Correct Spelling[]

Could some with CC please check this page out. I do not here Minkowski, would someone care to confirm or give the correct spelling, thanks. -Mr.Leaf 09:15, 26 May 2007 (PDT)

Other clues?[]

Just for the fun of it - and Its a very long shot that the writers of the show are anime fans- but Gundam uses "Minkovski Particles" to jam all radio and other comm during battles...--Netdragon 19:12, 6 August 2007 (PDT)ND

When the doctor on the freighter drugged Minkowski, it reminded me of a story by Stephen King, called, "The Jaunt." In this story, a father tells his children why people are teleported in their sleep. Apparently, teleporting long distances (lightyears) while awake drives people crazy and eventually kills them. According to the story, teleporting awake allows people to experience the interval between portals in real time. Depending on how far you are traveling, the time you have to wait to get to the next portal is interminable. You are trapped, waiting and waiting and waiting until the point where your body catches up with your mind. Perhaps Minkowski was drugged in an attempt to extend his life, using the theory that the mind can't travel while one is unconscious. --LostTeach 01:07, 6 March 2008 (PST)

Cultural references[]

  • As we do with other characters which are "probably" named after Philosophers, should we either: 1) add a "cultural references" section in this article (briefly citing real world Minkowskis, Hermann and/or Eugene), or 2) add Minkowski to the Philosophers article, and redirecting there, as we do in the articles for other philosopher-named characters such as Locke, Mikhail, Rousseau, etc.? If we choose 1), then any explanation should be short and concise, ideally citing both WP as well as a major fan theory URL. Any further exposition belongs on the Theory tab for this article, but IMO we should add something, because: 1) the name is highly unusual, 2) there is a recurring pattern of TPTB naming characters after similar figures, 3) precedent in other LP articles about such characters do briefly mention these connections (even if only by a redirect to the "Philosophy" article), even when in cases where these name inspirations have not been specifically confirmed canonically by TPTB (and cited by us). Thoughts? -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk  17:48, 13 October 2007 (PDT)

How is casting a spoiler?[]

Sorry, but I'm just not sure on exactly why posting who has been cast in his role is a spoiler? Everyone assumes that a human would be cast, correct? That a male human? So when a male actor's name comes up as being the person cast, is that really a spoiler? I think we all can anticipate that much. It doesn't reveal or spoil anything about the character or their role.

Just looking for some clarification. Thanks Voodoo

I agree that its not much of a Spoiler.

I thought that Minkowski had already been cast and was surprised to not see this mentioned. I suppose the main spoilerish content of a casting rumor would be that casting indicates that Minkowski isn't just a throwaway character but will be appearing in some eps next season.

Can we name him now in the article? The rumors have said that Fisher Stevens plays Minkowski and that sounded like Stevens on the sat phone to me.

Lostpedia is an encyclopedia. We adhere to rules of canonicity and facts. We don't do spoilers or rumours (minus a few pages dedicated directly to them). Unless an actor is officially credited via ABC or an ABC Medianet Press release it is mere rumours and not encyclopedic content. We have not seen any credit of Minkowski or any actors associated with the role. Any guessing or assuming who was the voice, etc is not accurate, not factual and is not encyclopedic content. Until an official source (such as the show or press release) matches a name with the role nothing is known and cannot be added to this page. This is Lostpedia's policy, always has been and if we wish to remain encyclopedic shall stay this way. -Mr.Leaf 19:26, 1 February 2008 (PST)
I don't know if you're accurately conveying the policy, but if so, that's a bit silly. We have confirmation through other channels (not "rumors") that Fisher Stevens was being cast as Minkowski. We have Fisher Stevens's name in the credits at the top of the show. For Lostpedia to have to stubbornly wait for some other official confirmation makes it quite less of a resource than it is capable of being. There should be a "beyond reasonable doubt" standard here, not a "parrot the official releases" standard. Robert K S 03:57, 3 February 2008 (PST)

Rename[]

Just checking. What is the evidence that George and Minkowski are one and the same? --Hunter61 22:38, 1 February 2008 (PST)

The evidence is that Naomi speaks into the phone saying "george this is Naomi". The voice on the other end is the same voice associated in other scenes with Minkowski. This is during the confrontation with Kate. Dharmatel4 22:49, 1 February 2008 (PST)

add in ferris wheel[]

i forgot where he mentioned this, but can someone add it in? --Avindratalkcontribs email  16:09, 29 February 2008 (PST)

How relevant is it that he said he was experiencing being on a ferris wheel? It was just in there as an example of his experiencing time-transported consciousness, which is the important part. Robert K S 16:29, 29 February 2008 (PST)

Dates[]

I'm not sure the benefit of the double dates. (Jack Dutton 22:25, 29 February 2008 (PST))


Jumping to future, but dead in present?[]

I've read that Lindelof/Cuse say Minkowski's consciousness was jumping to a future self (the one on a Ferris wheel). Considering they've also disavowed the use of paradoxes/alternate realities, how could this have happened if he's dead? --Joezoo 10:32, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

Fisher Stevens looks like...[]

Am I the only one who thinks that there is an uncanny resemblance between Minkowski and Michael Douglas? He has a very similar face (except for the hair-do), and his voice is also similar.

Anyways not a major point, just thought it might be worth mentioning.. --Lostie247 17:49, 24 March 2008 (PDT)

Mind Travel and Unanswered questions[]

Can we delete this unanswered question? "Why could Minkowski remember events that happened before he became "unstuck" in time, though Desmond could not?". We know, as the article says, that Minkowski's mind is travelling in the future, so he will not remember what happened between the present (with Sayid and Desmond) and the future, but anything that happened before his timetravels will be rememberd. Desmond can't remember what happened between his past time (at the scottish Camp, with Dan, Widmore and Penny) and the future (with Sayid and Minkowski), just like Minkowski. George and Desmond can remember what happened before the time travels, so I think that we can delete this question. Andreapasotti 03:55, 31 March 2008 (PDT)

I'm not defending the UQ, but that Minkowski is traveling into the future is only one theory that might explain why his memory is intact. He might also have just been hanging around long enough that Ray or other freighter crew members have helped him refresh his memory by re-telling him the details that he in turn relates to Desmond and Sayid. Even Desmond eventually became accustomed to his 2004 time and was able to tell Daniel Faraday that he was in a sickbay, for example, and was able to remember his overall mission/need to contact Penny after travelling back and forth again to the future. There's nothing in the episode to indicate Minkowski is travelling into the future; in fact, it seems that he must be travelling into the past, because he never lives to travel on a ferris wheel (and we know from Lindelof & Cuse that there are no time paradoxes in the universe of Lost--fate is course-correcting). All that said, the UQ is probably invalid. There's no reasonable expectation that this "mystery" will be solved in the future on the show--and that's what UQs are for. Robert K S (talk) 14:12, 31 March 2008 (PDT)
First of all thank you for the interesting things you said. Anyway.. In the trivia section of the article is written: "According to the producers, while Desmond's consciousness was traveling to the past, Minkowski's was traveling to the future". It's like we have two arguments to support the deletion of the UQ. I know: a question still there will not cause any problem. But I think that it's a type of UQ that rises a lot of questions (without answers, as Robert said) in everyone who reads it. Andreapasotti 14:37, 31 March 2008 (PDT)
Where did they say Minkowski was traveling into the future? I reviewed the last few podcasts but I didn't find this. They did, however, compare Lost to Heroes, saying that while in Heroes time paradoxes were possible, they were not in Lost. Robert K S (talk) 16:07, 31 March 2008 (PDT)
I agree. I can't find where it states he was travelling to the future. However, it states Desmond's consciousness was travelling to the past. This is not true at all. His past consciousness was travelling to what we consider the present. I think the note is a little confused. Perhaps it should say Desmond's past consciousness is travelling to the future/present while Minkowski's present consciousness is travelling to the past. There would be no paradox, since he most likely was on a ferris wheel in the past. --macosx 17:01, 31 March 2008 (PDT)
Ok, so we have to delete the last Trivia from the article... Right? :) Andreapasotti 13:24, 1 April 2008 (PDT)
Here is the relevant link: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20182393,00.html and here are some relevant quotes
Doc Jensen: "In The Constant, Desmond became unstuck in time after flying through a thundercloud crackling with strange electricity. He experienced something like time travel, though not bodily time travel; instead, his consciousness shuttled between two different time periods, Island present 2004 and Desmond's past 1996. But here's the tricky twist: Desmond's Island-present mind wasn't the one doing the time traveling. When Desmond got hit with Island magic, his consciousness got knocked off-line and was replaced by his 1996 self. It was this older Desmond consciousness that toggled between present and past throughout the episode. Once Desmond '96 completed the errand of getting Penny's phone number so he could call her on Christmas Eve 2004, Desmond's present-day mind came back online, but rebooted with the new memories created by his time-travel adventure. I know: tricky stuff. But I had the chance to run all this by Damon Lindelof — and he says this interpretation is correct."
"Desmond had the time-warp blues, but freighter freak Minkowski had Marty McFly Mania: Due to his own exposure to electromagnetic magic, he began psychically commuting back to a pleasant day on a Ferris wheel. He died desperately trying to zip-line back to this happy day one more time. Coldly poignant, I thought. Notice: Unlike Desmond's time-travel story, Minkowski's present day consciousness was making the trip. Lindelof says this difference was designed to make a very important point: As Faraday explains in the episode, the effect is random. Sometimes a person can be displaced by minutes, other times, years. And the direction of the effect is equally unpredictable. Our way of demonstrating this was to give Minkowski a wildly different experience than Desmond was having. Lindelof says none of this is arbitrary; exposure to electromagnetism or radiation plays a role. But he adds: Looking for specific rules for how all this works will lead you down the path of insanity."
So it looks like what was actually happening is that past Desmond was travlling back and forth to the present, and present Minkowski was traveling back and forth to the past (Ferris wheel).--Jackdavinci 15:51, 1 April 2008 (PDT)
Ok, mindblowing.. Should we delete the UQ? :) We are stuck in this thing.. Andreapasotti 01:53, 3 April 2008 (PDT)
Yep, the answer to "*Why could Minkowski remember events that happened before he became "unstuck" in time, though Desmond could not?" is clearly that it's because Minkowski's present mind is traveling backwards, while Desmond's past mind is traveling forward. I deleted it. The other question could probably be deleted too, the answer being "because he's experiencing the time sickness". --Jackdavinci 19:36, 3 April 2008 (PDT)
I still see the UQs. But that's not a problem. I'm really glad about this discussion we started! Andreapasotti 08:21, 4 April 2008 (PDT)

Minkowski, a redshirt?[]

What about Minkowski? His only role in the one episode he was in seemed to be to show Desmond he would die without a constant. See "The Constant", he basically just dies, demonstrating the danger to Desmond. Sounds like a classic redshirt to me.

Do you think that Minkowski was a "good" person?[]

What do you think he can be considered? He seemed like he had a general kind and friendly personality, most prominently to Michael. But I'm sure the Others would refer to him as a "bad guy" just for the reason that he was associated with the Kahana. What is your opinion on this?

--   Blackout    talk    contribs    email   06:01, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the non-mercenary crew of the Kahana can really be called "bad", though the Others would naturally think that of everyone. After all, the science people only wanted Ben (and all of them ended up helping the survivors) and the freighter crew tried to stop Keamy (who definitely was bad). Minkowski was just following orders, and didn't harm anybody in the process, and also actively helped Desmond and Sayid. So I'd say he was good. --Golden Monkey 06:40, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Like Desmond Hume and Walt (Michaelson), Minkowski was/is a member of team Faraday. george is good or bad or solely an instrument, depending what you think, Farday was/is.--Past recaptured 20:03, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

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