If you have a problem with the contents of the Numbers page, then discuss it here. Otherwise, I'll just keep blocking your IPs and rolling back your vandalism.--Admin 17:30, 3 Oct 2005 (PDT)
What about the numbers signifying coordinates in degrees, minutes, and seconds, or in hours, minutes, and seconds?? The 1st and 4th numbers are both less than 24. The 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th are all less than 60. The main problem is that 16 degrees E or 16 degrees W longitude would be in or near the equatorial portion of the Atlantic Ocean, possibly near Brazil or the countries of central Africa. Could these coordinates point to the location of another experimental outpost? To a location on the earth exact opposite from these coordinates?
Maybe locate on the map the following coordinate pairs in addition to that already plotted...just to give us an idea...
4° 8' 15" [N or S latitude] ; (180 - 16)° 23' 42" [E or W longitude] ---> four combinations
4° 8' 15" [N or S latitude] ; (180° - 16° 23' 42") = 163° 36' 18" [E or W longitude] ---> four combinations
--BrianSTL 13:52, 18 November 2005 (PST)
re: Great Circle route
But weren't they off course? ...like 1000 miles? Shouldn't the island's location be some distance away from the great circle route? --BrianSTL 09:48, 18 November 2005 (PST)
I think if you look at 4.815 Lat and 162.342 Long you just might find an island.
Try terraserver.com (actually the island is about a quarter mile from the above coordinates, but not bad for TV)This is close to the Tuvalu chain of islands. If you take a new look at the Oceanic Airlines site (Disney)There is a newspaper report of a sighting of a plane crash in that area.
But back when these numbers supposedly originated (1970's or before) weren't map coordinates cited in degrees, minutes, seconds? In degrees, minutes, seconds -- each number has meaning, without concatenating them and adding a decimal point -- but then, of course, how to deal with the 16?-- could a different prime meridian have been used? Wouldn't decimalization of map coordinates probably be a by-product of such internet locating sites? Or am I wrong? --BrianSTL 13:52, 18 November 2005 (PST)
I think you have a great point and I agree...but is it not more likely that we might be out thinking scriptwriters? Remember this is just a TV show! As I understand (I could be wrong, it would not be the first time!) Numbers to the left of the decimal are in fact still degrees. I'll keep digging if you do:)
Numbers appear on Lottery in Ireland
This is not a joke!!!!
http://www.lotto.ie/prizes_results/lastdraws.asp?draws=8
The national lottery in Ireland on Saturday November 19th came up with the following numbers:
04 08 15 16 23 24
Except for the last number (which is reversed) do they look familier?!?!
This is way too wierd.
Possible new number
If you go to oceanic-air.com and take a look at the seating chart for flight 815, it lists 352 seats. If you count the seats, there are actually 361 total. Now this may be because the flight attendands aboard, but if you want to throw numbers into it, thats 9 extra seats, and if you take the sum of the lotto numbers 108 and add the three together, 1+0+8=9. Just some more statistics that are a little off.
Seat numbers
Who occupied the seats with the coresponding numbers on Flight 815?
Sorry, editor, didn't see the other Hieroglyphics page.
It should probably be linked from The Numbers, but my apologies.
I was in the middle of adding a new page for Push the Button when I got the lock notice. Does anyone think there should be a seperate page dedicated to this ritual?
--Emory 16:21, 16 February 2006 (PST)
Calling for all mathematicians
So has any mathematicians cracked the numbers yet? I know thee numbers appear in much ancient litterature, but maybe the numbers also has a special meaning in math as well.
-- Saivert --
It doesn't seem to be any mathematical meaning with the numbers. [1] --Jambalaya 09:51, 23 February 2006 (PST)
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04 08 15 16 23 42
15 + 16 + 23 - 42 - 08 = 04
23 + 15 + 16 - 04 - 42 = 08
04 + 08 + 42 - 16 - 23 = 15
08 + 42 + 04 - 23 - 15 = 16
42 + 04 + 08 - 15 - 16 = 23
16 + 23 + 15 - 08 - 04 = 42
someone should add that and that the numbers appears in the stars (i hope you know the thing) in the article ... just curios
--Cool Man 0912 14:14, 26 March 2006 (PST)
I don't know if it holds any significance. I you try hard enough, you can probably fabricate many numbers from a set of other numbers. Noteable is however that its always 2 times a + and two times a -. It's a little late now here in Germany, so I'm tired, but isn't it possible that if you have 6 numbers, this game will always work? Guess now we really need a mathematician.
oh , another german dude :D
--Cool Man 0912 14:33, 26 March 2006 (PST)
But what about the numbers in the stars??? --aurora glacialis 14:23, 26 March 2006 (PST)
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4180/loststars23pk.jpg
--Cool Man 0912 14:33, 26 March 2006 (PST)
That looks like a mirrored version of the big dipper, which can't be seen from the southern hemisphere. What's the significance of the order of the numbers in the picture? If there is none, none of this means much as there's a multitude of things one can arrange with 6 points and have it match to something in the show. --skks 05:57, 27 March 2006 (PST)
the numbers are in the same order as the stars ^^ http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3170/loststars28dj.jpg --Cool Man 0912 09:05, 27 March 2006 (PST)
Yeah, i got that part, but why are the other numbers in that order? What's the significance with them? What I'm trying to point out is that one can arrange prettymuch anything by fitting The Numbers in first and then adding other numbers afterwards. The same thing as with all the math really. The picture itself looks a bit fishy too as there's a lot black patches where there should be blue. Further investigation is in order! Do you know which episode this is from? --skks 14:56, 27 March 2006 (PST)
i hope i understand you right^^ episode i dont know , sorry.i try to find it out. the numbers are in an order which is like the game Lenny is playing (dont know the english name , sorry)
btw: found that link : http://athensohio.net/entertainment/4-8-15-16-23-42/arithmetic/ more math with numbers :D
--Cool Man 0912 03:47, 28 March 2006 (PST)
should it be added or not? i want an answer :D
--Cool Man 0912 14:16, 2 April 2006 (PDT)
Proposal: This page gets too long...
I think, this page gets way too long and confusing. My proposal is to seperate it, i.e make one page for each number and revise this article to link to each of the numbers. The combos and theories could of course stay on this page. This would make sense, since some of the number already have their own pages.
Maybe also, the appearances of the numbers should be sorted in some way regarding to significance, but this may prove difficult. --aurora glacialis 05:40, 3 March 2006 (PST)
- Agreed, let's get things done. 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42.†††GodEmperorOfHell††† --06:49, 3 March 2006 (PST)
Great. Should we move the entries of the list in "Appearances" to the appropriate number sections? --aurora glacialis 03:16, 7 March 2006 (PST)
The numbers are said to make some autistic kids cry
Huh? Is that a fact? :-S --Jambalaya 14:43, 9 March 2006 (PST)
I would like to know that, too - it sounds very odd. Who wrote that? He should give a quotation for that. --aurora glacialis 08:37, 11 March 2006 (PST)
They make me cry a bit, but I'm not autistic. --Ernest 20:53, 12 May 2006 (PDT)
Alphanumerical shmalphanumerical.
The alphanumerical conversion by Kall2thc, useless. it only demonstrates what has already been said, if you manipulate The Numbers any number of times you can demonstrate any theory you want. The numbers spelling Dharma becomes a too elaborate explanation, it shoehorns the numbers into the letters, too forced. These theories could even be moved to their own article, The Numbers (Fan theories). What do you think? †††GodEmperorOfHell††† --06:56, 10 March 2006 (PST)
I agree - let's move the more wilder theories to another page. --aurora glacialis 08:37, 11 March 2006 (PST)
Ok, if no one will do it, I might have some time and clean this up. I will move the "Occurances" List to the appropriate numbers unless all the numbers occur and I will split off the more wilder "maybe useless"-theories to a new article "Theories: The Numbers" - is that ok? --aurora glacialis 01:26, 15 March 2006 (PST)
More nonsense
Starting with: 4 8 15 16 23 42
The differences: 4 7 1 7 19
And then add them 4 + 7 + 1 + 7 = 19
"Interesting tidbit on the numbers as written on Danielle's papers"
Maybe that's the trick to making them "uncursed". Fours and Sevens can be easily confused. Swapping them around you'd get: 7 8 15 16 23 42 and differences of 1 7 1 7 19
Another Oddity
If you take any three of the numbers in a row, add them up, it is then divisible evenly by 3.
04 + 08 + 15 = 27 / 3 = 9
08 + 15 + 16 = 39 / 3 = 13
15 + 16 + 23 = 54 / 3 = 18
16 + 23 + 42 = 81 / 3 = 27
23 + 42 + 04 = 69 / 3 = 23
42 + 04 + 08 = 54 / 3 = 18
Alansned 18:22, 13 April 2006 (PDT)
Jack's Hospital Badge
Article states all the numbers were on the badge. Source? This picture, if correct, shows that the number was 75626-67. LOSTonthisdarnisland 22:47, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
- Also this picture LOSTonthisdarnisland 22:48, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
There's no such thing as a claim or hoax in math
Regardless of where the "Shaw-Basho" polynomial may have come from (it may just be extremely obscure) it's still valid. Do the math yourself, or dump it into Mathematica or Maple. It works quite well. My guess is some ABC math consultant was asked to come up with some meaningless number sequence for a show, and after delving through some journals they found this. The other possibility is that the Doug from that page, or some other fan, generated that expression to intentionally create the LOST numbers. Either way, it does generate them; the origin is irrelevant.
No "claims" or "hoaxes" here. That doesn't mean it has anything directly to do with LOST, however. Just a mathematical fact.