Maybe I missed something, but what's the connection to the show? Should we put a Non-Canon Template on it? --aurora glacialis 14:19, 11 April 2006 (PDT)
I think one of the equations in the blast door map was a 'Valenzetti equation' or something somesuch. Whether this is canon or non-canon is uncertain so far. --skks 04:28, 12 April 2006 (PDT)
- According to the Blast Door map, "Valenzetti" was "related" to some sort of research on the Island. The inscription is unclear not only about what the research was (although it is next to the landmark "CV I"), but when this activity happened: when DHARMA was active on the Island (1970s-mid 1980s) or during the second visit (2000-2003). Everything else is speculation, fanfic, or otherwise non-Canon. -- Llywrch 15:38, 13 April 2006 (PDT)
Interestingly Valenzetti leads to Rambaldi a 15th century inventor of 21st century technology - human augmentation - which leads to the TV show "Alias" and a prophecy of "a women with unseen marks (augmentation) which will render utter desolation" - an incident? stikeyoda
- How exactly does Valenzetti "lead to" Rambaldi? --Bremerton 10:41, 26 April 2006 (PDT)
- Heh, you should ask the creator of the fan site that question --Jambalaya 03:45, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
- Since no one is answering this and I see no evidence of any connection between Rambaldi and Valenzetti, I'll remove this in a few days, unless someone can provide a clear canon connection. (Hey - it's a CCC!) --Bremerton 05:24, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
- Heh, you should ask the creator of the fan site that question --Jambalaya 03:45, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
Rambaldi (and the "women rendering utter desolation" bit) is a key element in the overall storyline of ABC's 'Alias' (also produced by J.J. Abrahms). It would be great if someone could confirm whether ABC is behind this subtle connection, or if this is just something a fan of both shows has put together. -- Triggy
This seems to be legitimately attached to the series, despite claims. I searched around on their "Sponsors" page and found some very particular things; two sponsors are listed, the first of which is an allegedly bankrupt (1995) company with a number of super-big name clients: "Merck & Co., Inc., Hanso Foundation, Halliburton, The Coca-Cola Company, Valenzetti Foundation." As if that isn't enough, their second sponsor distributes Dharma-brand Pharmaceuticals. This links to another page that appears even less "sensible." It could be a hoax-page, sure...But someone must be going through a lot of trouble that could be better spent, to write and code these different sites. Let me know what you think! - Frost
- Well, just because someone put a lot of work into a site doesn't make it a non-hoax. I can't remember anywhere that DHARMA was referred to as "Pharmaceuticals". All your evidence is content based instead of third-party based (domain info etc.) - plus though we may agree their time could have been better spent, it doesn't mean someone else didn't waste a lot of time :) --Bremerton 05:37, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
Whois <<< I'll let this one speak for itself. A website shouldn't be considered official unless ABC itself has registered the domain. Of course, there are so-called "unofficial official" sites, but this is not one of them. Secondly, if you look at valenzettifoundation.org's source code you'll see that it's created with AOLpress 2.0 (!). --Jambalaya 08:32, 17 April 2006 (PDT)
I disagree. I think this website ([http://www.valenzettifoundation.org/]), as well as [http://www.globalparadigmscorp.com/] and [http://widmorelaboratories.com/] are clearly related to the show and not the work of fans.
- Valenzetti was mentioned on the blast door map shown on TV.
- Widmore made the pregnancy test shown on TV.
- GPC replied to an email about Enrico Valenzetti that I sent to [[1]] with a link to: [[2]]
--Urig 11:55, 20 April 2006 (GMT+02:00)
I'm sorry to say this, but you need a reality check. I admire your fascination for this show, but you can't put info about every poorly created fansite you find on the Net. Well you may, but at least flag it as a fan site. These sites are just way too dubious. --Jambalaya 06:47, 20 April 2006 (PDT)
"Clearly related to the show" and "created by fans" aren't mutually exclusive. There's nothing to support that these sites are affiliated with ABC or Disney which makes them unofficial which makes them non-canon. --skks 08:43, 20 April 2006 (PDT)
Very well. I understand what you're saying. Non-canon they shall be, at least until more convincing evidence to the contrary is provided. --Urig 22:04, 20 April 2006 (GMT+02:00)
It seems painfully obvious to me that [http://www.valenzettifoundation.org/], [http://www.globalparadigmscorp.com/], [http://widmorelaboratories.com/], etc. are all fan sites. <scoff>AOLpress/2.0?</scoff> As much as I'd like to rip all this non-canon stuff out entirely, any old Cloudmaker can tell you that the line between in-game and fan sites starts to get kinda blury after a while. --RazorInTheApple 17:08, 26 April 2006 (PDT)
- The line may be hard to see but it's still there. Seems to me that there are ways to prove sites are canon (whois mainly), plus I am sure the creators want to at least in SOME way separate canon from non-canon and fanon. --Bremerton 05:37, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
A second I thought you were my sock puppet ;-D --Jambalaya 03:41, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
The "Created with AOLpress/2.0" text has no impact on the website's authenticity. In addition, [http://www.valenzettifoundation.org/] went online before Lockdown aired. --Urig 15:15, 27 April 2006 (GMT+02:00)
Nope! Lockdown aired on March 29th, while the domain was registered 31st March. --Jambalaya 05:23, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
- IMO, we should assume nothing is official until proven so from third-party information somehow, or else everything gets very confusing and misinformation spreads like wildfire! --Bremerton 05:37, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
- I concur. Except - exactly what is "third-party information"?
- For a website - domain info (whois), registration info, etc. would I guess be the primary source. Perhaps third-party information that has a connection to the show would be more accurate. (With the Lost Experience starting soon though, it might get even more confusing.) I think that the valenzettifoundation.org site is fanon, however, the Gary Troup information on the Hyperion site would probably be "canon" in that the Hyperion site is an established "real" site, and is connected to the show, being the publisher of the show's books, so that would be a "third-party connection" of sorts. I agree it's confusing, but I guess all I mean by "third-party information" is a relation to some sort of offical show entity (book publisher, production company, ABC, the company creating the Lost Experience (is this the 4orty2wo company that did the other ones?), etc.)
- I also recognize that [http://www.valenzettifoundation.org/] is probably fanfic. [http://widmorelaboratories.com/] likewise. --Urig 16:18, 27 April 2006 (GMT+02:00)
Brem & Urig make well-reasoned arguments, but as a dutiful sock puppet I defer to Jamb. ;-) --RazorInTheApple 12:27, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
New Idea
What about this: Make Lostpedia about EVERYTHING having to do with Lost. Allow fanfiction and non-canon stuff, but just label it as such. Have a special section on each page, or something that separates the fanfiction and the non-canon stuff from the real/sanctioned/official stuff. The writers of the show have already used fan ideas for actual show plot (for example, the "everything's in Hurley's mind" episode). It could actually be a really good thing to include the fanfiction and non-canon material. How would that be a problem at all, and why hasn't this been done yet? -- BC 13:47, 28 April 2006 (PDT)
- It's not the fact that it's on here; the debate is the fact as to whether or not to label it non-canon or fanon. (Check around, you'll see articles labeled with both.) I think everyone agrees a site should be listed on here, but categorized correctly so as to avoid rumors and mis-information spreading.--Bremerton 05:26, 29 April 2006 (PDT)