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"* Is seen by Michael fleeing from The Swan to The Flame
- Is returning in the Season Finale and there are promo pictures of him looking somewhat dirty and unshaven"
from 'On the Island', I'm quite sure that we haven't seen Michael and Desmond together on screen?
I may have been wrong in moving them though?
--Rayne 16:53, 5 May 2006 (PDT)
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Calvin, the name of the original "manager" of the hatch is also the name of a famous 16th century theologian, John Calvin, who proposed theories of predestination. Calvin's doctrine, "Unconditional Election" states that some people are "elect" and are predestined for salvation. Everyone else is predestined to damnation/reprobation. The non-elect are defined as sinners with no conscience or remorse. Since it seems that all of the "14" have some kind of remorse, they are not reprobates and therefore are predestined for salvation, not hell. Does the name "Calvin" suggest that the hatch could be a vehicle for the salvation of the "14"?
With regards to the substance with which he inoculates himself, and how often he does the inoculation...We only see this action one time. I am thinking that he does this in response to the explosion breeching the "hermetically-sealed" environment of the Swan Station. He was probably told or conditioned to believe that the outside environment is full of toxins or infectious organisms...The inoculation would be an antidote or immunization to the dangers with which he will soon come into contact.
Your thinking is flawed. He injected himself just prior to the explosion. --Danny 05:26, 16 March 2006 (PST)
I wonder, where did he get the CR 4-81516-23 42 vials.. whatever they are. It seems to me that he was injecting himself on a routine basis (as with the exercise, shake, etc), so he must have use up a large amount, which makes me think he was getting regular supplies - the same with food, and so there must have been some in the supply drop?
--Rayne 08:15, 30 April 2006 (PDT)
Yeah, there must have been but why have the Lost peeps not questioned the vials? (Unless they did and I missed it! Like I missed Rousseau saying Alex was a girl in season One. Silly me!) --LostCat 11:16, 6 May 2006 (PDT)
"Are you him?"
from the article...
Desmond asked Jack, "Are you him?"
I thought that Desmond posed this question to Locke, before Jack had even arrived.--BrianSTL 14:52, 29 November 2005 (PST)
You are correct. This has since been corrected. --Danny 23:02, 15 March 2006 (PST)
"lift it up"
1 The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it,
the world, and all who live in it;
2 for he founded it upon the seas
and established it upon the waters.
3 Who may ascend the hill of the LORD ?
Who may stand in his holy place?
4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
who does not lift up his soul to an idol
or swear by what is false. [a]
5 He will receive blessing from the LORD
and vindication from God his Savior.
6 Such is the generation of those who seek him,
who seek your face, O God of Jacob. [b]
Selah
7 Lift up your heads, O you gates;
be lifted up, you ancient doors,
that the King of glory may come in.
8 Who is this King of glory?
The LORD strong and mighty,
the LORD mighty in battle.
9 Lift up your heads, O you gates;
lift them up, you ancient doors,
that the King of glory may come in.
10 Who is he, this King of glory?
The LORD Almighty—
he is the King of glory.
Selah
Footnotes:
There's a mentioning on the article about Desmond waiting for someone male as he didn't ask Kate the question, but the question itself already tells us the sex of the person he's waiting for... so should the Kate-factor even be mentioned in the article as it's irrelevant? --skks 10:37, 21 April 2006 (PDT)
Agreed. kaini 10:42, 21 April 2006 (PDT)
Just because he thinks it a male, doesn't mean it is. For example in Alias, Irena Derevko, used the alias, "The Man". Since both are J.J. Abrams creations, it is possible. Not that I think the writers would do this twice, but it doesn't mean it's not a possibility. --Talsian 10:42, 5 May 2006 (PDT)
CR 4-81516-23 42
The search result for string «+"CR 4-81516-23 42" -Lost» @ google.com is: search result The last match is titled "Cr xr conversion", with a URL address cr-xr-conversion.fujisawa.us which lead to some kind of medical/pharmaceutical search engine (?).
But, when I pressed COPY, I got this result; which seems to be some sort of electronic garbage, but there's "CR 4-81516-23 42" string written on it. The mirror's (copy's) date is 21 Jan 2006 12:40:38 GMT. Update: The cache page is no longer existing. --Raven66 13:04, 10 February 2006 (PST)
The "Fujisawa Pharmaceutical Co." is actually real pharmacy company, but no longer existing. [1] They merged to a company called Astellas. --Raven66 06:55, 3 February 2006 (PST)
Snowmen
220.239.125.218 added:
It may be possible that Desmond was expecting Hurley. The joke he asks to Locke "What did one snowman say to the other snowman?" Hurley has used the same joke to Walt, the answer being "Freeze!"
I thought that this was a joke Michael had written to Walt in a letter. In what episode can I find the Hurley reference? --Joseph 21:58, 20 February 2006 (PST)
>> Michael wrote Walt the joke the nurse told him in the hospital. Q: Whats black, white and red all over?—Michael sighs and says "yea yea, a newspaper"—A: No, A sunburned penguin! That was in "Adrift" I think. —lookup
Basing any assumptions on two people knowing the same joke doesn't exactly make things 'concrete'.--skks 13:29, 7 March 2006 (PST)
No.. thats why i think it was an example of a quick question about a shared joke between 2 people who have not physically met. If Desmond was expecting someone he had a computer conversation with it would have been a simple way to see if the person before you was the same one you shared that joke with. Not fool proof but in this case it worked and showed up Locke as not the person expected. --MRNasher
Did this really happen? I've seen people state that Hurley told it first season, or Michael or Walt did, but nobody can seem to point to an episode.
The snowman joke never appeared prior to Season 2--MoJo 13:58, 15 March 2006 (PST)
I added the snowman joke to a page called persistent rumors --Uth 10:25, 4 May 2006 (PDT)
Sarah and Desmond
Makes no sense that she was the woman with Desmond in the picture. Don't you think Jack would have noticed and commented on the fact that his ex-wife was cozy with Desmond?
Image comparisons seem to show its more likely to be the woman who failed to adopt Claire's baby in Austrailia.
The woman in the photo has the name of Penny. I don't know the importance of that yet. --Techiedavid 15:49, 8 May 2006 (PDT)
Cleaning up the article?
The theories section could use some cleaning up, some of it (ie. arguing over theories) would fit here better than the actual article.--skks 13:36, 7 March 2006 (PST)
Agreed. I posted the part about Desmond being superhuman before I was a member. I'll clean it up. --Carl
Okay. Cleaned. :) --Carl
Lifting Things Up
Wakes to the beeping of the computer at his artificial sunlight bedroom and performs the numbers task. Injects himself, before the explosion, as part of what appears to be some sort of wake-up routine. We see him living the life he professes to the survivors before they made their way inside.
He seems to have been marking the days off on the wall just before the computer room with 4 stripes and a slash, much like prisoners do. Theres a lot of marks there, we can assume around 2 years worth as Desmond says he arrived 3 years ago and says he and 'Kelvin' saved the world "for a while".
When he asks Locke the riddle is it possible that he was expecting someone from a conversation he had with the computer terminal: someone he shared a joke with, someone who said he was coming for him. It would be a way to ID someone you never met in person. Hurley told the joke to Walt.
And it wouldn't be right for him to expect a replacement.. he'd be expecting 2 replacements or 1 new companion. When Locke and Kate shows up.. hes not expecting 2 people from his reaction and he is expecting a male too i'm guessing since he has discounted Kate.
Since we know Walt (or someone who knows of their relationship) communicates with his Dad via the terminal its possible 'Walt' did this with Desmond too. The only thing is i got the impression that Desmond had been expecting this person for some time because he says "I cant believe it, your finally here." and Walt was not captured till the following night.
Its also a pretty weak password, a commonly known joke, so i cant see it being that.
John asks him "are you in contact the people who made it, the film, are you in contact with anyone?" and Desmond says "Do you think i would be here if i was." and that "Kelvin died waiting for his replacements."
Desmond readily knows the wheel to the airlock door sticks, but has trouble remembering his name, which suggests he has used the door or remembers Kelvin using the door. He could just be a good actor.
Jack just lets him leave. Desmond had so much he could tell us about the anomalies of the terminal and possibly the project.
It seems very short sighted that only 2 members should be tasked to press the button. You would think that 3 or 4 would have been more failsafe, unless the button press was an exercise with a mock critical scenario. Maybe even the numbers are part of the experiment, to add some authenticity to the project.
I also wonder if Desmond forgot to press the button 40 odd days ago, when he talks to Locke he seems to be thinking and asks about the world still being out there. I wonder if the timer keeps the 'Monster' on a leash. If you don't keep it reigned in it can roam off the island and bring down planes :P
--MRNasher
2 button pushers does sound more like a test or an experiment, it creates stress as the button pushing is always yours or the other person's responsibility, with more failsafe-persons it would be more relaxed and could be considered as a medial task. --skks 01:52, 13 March 2006 (PST)
What to make of Desmond
Desmond is one of the most mysterious characters that we met, that's for sure.
Some things I've been trying to make sense of:
- Did he ever venture out of the hatch? The word 'Quarantine' seemed to keep him in.
- Kelvin/Calvin, ventured out of the hatch. How did he know to go to the beach to find Desmond? Can you make it from the hatch to the beach and back in 108 minutes? We're lead to believe at some points that it's a rather long hike. In contrast to this, Desmond knew nothing of the plane crash. Was Kelvin/Calvin an other? If he's really dead, where's his body? Shouldn't it still be in the hatch?
- We're shown what appears to be Desmond's morning routine, but if he's pushing the button every 108 minutes, he must be taking short naps. The fact that he does it in the dead of night might also suggest he doesn't leave the hatch, and his body clock is way off.
- He asked "so the world is still out there?". He also thinks that pushing the button saves the world. Could that be a clue that suggests that he forgot to push the button at some point? Maybe that's what brought the plane down?
- It almost seemed that he was the catalyst that healed Sara, not Jack. Jack was convinced he failed, yet only after speaking with Desmond, she makes a miraculous recovery
- If that is really a vaccine, then why does he require so much? Most vaccines last for months/years after being administered once.
With regard to Kelvin being dead, you're right where IS his body? Perhaps Kelvin went outside (ran away?) and Desmond just assumes he's dead. --LostCat 06:58, 14 May 2006 (PDT)
Yes, Desmond really is mysterious. However, I don't think he stayed in the Hatch all the time. He came to the island and went into the hatch, so why not go outside again? Also he left when his "replacements" arrived. Of course, he would have lived in the hatch most of the time - he had to be there every 108 minutes and why wander around in the jungle? Unless there is a nice lake with a waterfall nearby, there is no point in hiking the same part of the jungle again and again. The books in the hatch would most likely be more interesting. Especially with wild boars or weird security systems running loose outside.
Also, I think even if he has to get up every 108 minutes, he most likely still would stick to the notion of day and night. He could see outside through his Telescope system and see the days (not to mention if he went outside).
I think, he could have done all that - go outside, have a day/night rythm,... but at some time, there is no point in all this. I think he surely must have gone mad quite a bit.
--aurora glacialis 08:27, 14 March 2006 (PST)
In the episode, his eyes are bloodshot and very red and his voice is really raspy which leads me to believe he doesn't get much regular sleep and atleast he wasn't crazy enough to talk to himself constantly. Personally I don't think he ever left Swan, but ofcourse it's possible. --skks 17:08, 14 March 2006 (PST)
Should he be listed in the category Dharma Staff? As far as we know he's just a dupe, not an actual member of the Initiative.--Tricksterson 06:55, 29 March 2006 (PST)
I thought about this, but came to the conclusion that one can be staff without being a member. He was working as a part of the inner dealings of a Dharma Facility. --skks 11:13, 29 March 2006 (PST)
By this rationale the castaways should be listed as Dharma Staff because they're now working in the Swan and pushing the button.--Tricksterson 07:16, 30 March 2006 (PST)
Yes, yes they should if they had no other affiliation. Unfortunately they are the survivors, also they weren't recruited by a Dharma Member so I suppose they would be Dharma Sub-Staff. If you feel like adding the cats & modifying the articles to follow suit - please do. --skks 22:25, 30 March 2006 (PST)
We don't know that kelvin was a dharma member. The survivors are as "staff" as desmond is. --Ernest 11:56, 12 May 2006 (PDT)
Did he state he travelled by boat?
Can anyone clear this up for me. One of the theories I see going around is that the balloon that they apparently find next week might actully have been Desmond's, that Desmond never said he travelled by boat.
Is this true? I seem to recall him saying something that indicated he travelled by boat, but I don't recall his exact words.
Jack says: "..yer gonna tell me how you got here."
To which Desmond says: "It was 3 years ago... I was on a solo race around the world... an my.. my boat crashed on a reef."
It's a very brief mention about 12 minutes into Orientation. --MRNasher
Spoilers?!?!?
Um, there is a *ton* of info in here that is, I can only imagine, spoilers for the finale.
Needs a spoiler warning, at the very least. -Piscez
Can we please leave out the Flame spoilers? Take them off until the episode?
First off, they are no spoilers on this page, only information gathered by watching the shows. Secondly, the spoiler warning is on the theory portion. By calling them theories, they are obviously not spoilers. I am taking off the warning.
Have I missed something?
How do we know Desmond was going to The Flame? And how do we know his surname is Cook? Did I miss something? Because I don't remember watching that anywhere...
-- that was in a spoiler... --Cool Man 0912 10:55, 6 May 2006 (PDT)
Poem?
Is this canon? Does it deserve it's own page? LOSTonthisdarnisland 19:17, 9 May 2006 (PDT)
- I think not --kaini 20:04, 9 May 2006 (PDT)
- I don't think lostdesmond.com or the poem are canon.--Ernest 11:53, 12 May 2006 (PDT)
invisotext
ah! now THIS is an excellent idea. i already employ something similar on a forum to avoid spoilers. i think it would be nice if everyone adopted this, i'd even suggest placing something regarding it on the main page? --kaini 20:06, 9 May 2006 (PDT)
Desmond sighting?
In the episode where Bernard tries to recruit fellow "lostaways" to help him build his distress sign, I am sure that I saw Desmond in the background, standing just behind Bernard, amongst the other "lostaways". I no longer have access to the episode, but think it's worth looking into. Desmond is there during a close-up of Bernard. (User:Jenny)
Non-Canon
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In Another Life Poem
Time stands still
silent ticking
echo off concrete walls
I lie waiting
hushed by the earth bove
cradled by the earth below
No mamas
No papas
me only
A child Alone
Once I was free
Sea Air on my face
Sunlight in my eyes
A woman's face by mine
Yesterday never was
And tomorrow too
Only an illusion
done with mirrors
Alone
and lonely
Brother ...
where are you?
~ Desmond (http://www.lostdesmond.com/)
The first is the image of Demond and his girlfriend/wife from their photograph together. The second is an image of the woman on the Raft (when Walt was taken) who threw the bomb.
Look at the faces -- she COULD BE the woman on the RAFT with "the others" when Walt was taken (probably is). They look extremely similiar, from facial structure to eyebrow-shape. Look carefully, this is an important detail!
If that's her, it raises more questions.
-Does Desmond know she's an Other?
-Is HE in fact an "other" as well?
-What does that mean about his role in the Dharma Initiative?
At http://www.lostdesmond.com, there is a section called "Desmond Letters and Notes" which contains HIS (?) poems "LIFT IT UP!" and "In Another Life" which are coincidentally his enigmatic catchphrases.
(Note: It is unclear whether these poems are actually written by the character/how accurate the website is, but it's important to note that the site is said to be backed by the actor who portrays Desmond on Lost)
Promotional Picture of Desmond
In the promotional picture of Desmond he certainly looks rough and unshaven, but his Dharma boiler suit looks like it's been carefully laundered and ironed! Ok, so the picture could have been taken before the wardrobe people dirtied it up a bit, but i still think it looks funny! --LostCat 06:49, 14 May 2006 (PDT)
If you click on the Desmond picture you can see not only that one but the one you are referring to. DeGroot
Desmond's Boat?
From the article, "If Desmond felt this were a true cataclysm, where would he run to? How far could he get simply by running from the hatch? May point to his boat, and it's rediscovery in "Three Minutes".
Am I missing something here? I don't believe it was confirmed in "Three Minutes" that the boat on the horizon was Desmond's. Is this a spoiler or just conjecture? In either case, should it be in the article now?