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Don't worry about the english, that's why we editors are for =). Your input on Desmond is very interesting. Continue collaborating with us. If you have any info on the LOST phenomenon in your homeland please create a new page. I am also interested to know how you watch LOST, do you have ABC or you do as I do, download the episodes via BitTorrent? (I live in Mexico and the new season is debuting next week.) --GodEmperorOfHell 07:08, 3 February 2006 (PST)


I will collaborate as much as I can. Due to my work I don't have much time to spend, but if I find some, I'll try to put something.

In Poland there are many fansites about LOST, but these are more like "fan talking", speculations; and only few important things & suggestions.

LOST were aired on TV, but only the 1st season. The 2nd sezon in public TV will be in September, cable TV (AXN) is showing LOST but like 10 episodes late. So, I download all episodes available via eMule. --Raven66 07:06, 6 February 2006 (PST)

Your use of English[]

Your English is far better than my Polish! Don't worry, the English speakers here will clean up any mistakes you make!! --Plkrtn 07:19, 6 February 2006 (PST)


Well, thank you for that...[]

... but I don't think that comparision used by you above is enough for me ;) Polish is used in only one country in the world, as far as I know :)

Thats true, but that is the problem with people like me, who have English as a first language. We don't bother to learn another language when we should! --Plkrtn 07:30, 6 February 2006 (PST)

A note on writing style[]

Hi. I am from Germany, so youre not the only foreigner here ;-) - But reading your last new entry about good family - I think you should probably write more "scientific" in the articles. Like "The Others are probably a group of green martians planning an invasion" instead of "I think the Others are martians. Anyone remember the episode where they appeared all green. Of course this may be wrong but I think they plan an invasion or....dadada". Hope you get what I wanted to say. I think it makes reading for visitors easier and most other articles are written that way... Greetings... --aurora glacialis 07:07, 14 March 2006 (PST)

I've tried to do so... --Raven66 07:32, 14 March 2006 (PST) And by the way, I never said I'm the *only* foreigner here ;), but I've said my english is poor ;) That's a difference :] Greetings --Raven66 07:38, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Don't talk about foreigners, this is the world wide web and there is no such thing! I am mexican and a very devout Lostaway. regarding style, don't worry, plenty of us are in for rewrites. anyway, if you feel you need help with style and/or grammar feel free to ask for help. you know where to find me ;) †††GodEmperorOfHell††† --07:50, 14 March 2006 (PST)

OK, next time I will! :) --Raven66 07:52, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Good Family[]

Regarding:

If the Others are like "family", Mr. Ekos plead for forgiveness towards Henry Gale may have been part of a tradition. In  some cultures, when a murderer kills someone, he is to ask for forgiveness by the family of the murdered person.
Maybe I simply don't understand the grammatic, but to clear the situation: the murderer have to apologize the family of killed person.

It means, that the murderer has to plead for forgiveness. The family can give him that (or not). so he asks for forgiveness by the family. It's a bit complicated - in boolean: (He is to ask for (forgiveness by the family)) ;-) --aurora glacialis 08:04, 14 March 2006 (PST)

some religious/myth stuff - comparing Maori traditions to Lost[]

Okay, there's just my guessing and thought, I don't really even believe in connection between these legends/beliefs and happenings in Lost, but hey! Some of them looks interesting. And also I put this on my talkpage, so even if all of this is garbage (which probably is :-] in context of Lost) I don't hurt anybody. ;-) --Raven66 05:46, 15 March 2006 (PST)


HAWAIIAN stories of going to the underworld after the soul of the dead and restoring it to the body are based on the Hawaiian philosophy of life, whose tendency is to dissociate the spirit or soul (uhane) from the body (kino) and to think of it with a quite independent life of its own apart from the body, which is dead or inert without it. The spirit may wander away from the living body, leaving it asleep or merely listless and drowsy, and visit another in dream or as an apparition (hihi‘o) while the other is awake. Its exits from the living body are made through the inner angle of the eye, called lua-uhane. Since this habit of wandering is dangerous, lest the spirit be caught and prevented from returning to its body, the kahuna will perform a ceremony and place a special kind of wreath on the head of a person thus addicted.

Theoretically the kahuna alone can see the spirit (uhane) of the dead or dying, but practically everybody is afraid of the lapu or visible form of a dead person. It has human shape and speaks in the same voice as in life, but has the power of enlarging or contracting at will. It cannot change into another shape. The gods alone have this power, called "four-hundred-bodied" (kino-lau). But the dead may enter an object, especially a bone, and hence it is that Hawaiians fear to disturb human bones or to speak of sacred things lest they anger these spirits of the dead, who will then work them mischief. They fear to carry food, especially pork, at night lest they be followed. They will tie to the container a green ti leaf or bamboo or lele banana leaf as a command to the ghost to fly away (lele). This is called placing a law (kanawai) upon the food. But unless the leaves are fresh the law will not work. To test whether a form is that of a spirit or of a living person, large leaves of the ape plant are laid down. A living person will tear the leaves in treading over them, a spirit will leave no trace.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/pac/hm/hm12.htm

  • Could Walt be some kind of "uhane" which is disconnected from his body?


The soul when it comes to the leaping place encounters a tree called Ulu-la‘i-o-walu which forms the roadway into the other world. Little children are gathered about it and direct the soul. One side of the tree looks green and fresh, the other dry and brittle, but this is an illusion, for the dry branch is the one which the soul should grasp to save itself from being cast down into the world of the dead. It must climb on to the top, being careful to lay hold of a dry twig which will grow under its hand, and then descend the main trunk to the "third level," where little children will again direct it how to escape being cast down to Po. 37

http://www.sacred-texts.com/pac/hm/hm12.htm

  • Is it possible, that The Others need children for that?


In the first place, we will glance at the native beliefs connected with such supernormal beings as we generally term “gods,” though the term is not always appropriate. Some of these beings may be classified as tutelary deities, as “parents” or originating-powers; others as “demons,” or evil spirits. Even the lowest type were supposed to be helpful to man, if placated in a proper manner. The only ones who were persistently evil, who never assisted or succoured man, seem to have been Whiro and his myrmidons of the lower world. Our atua maori, or native gods, may be classified as follows: (1) Io, the Supreme Being. (2) The departmental gods—personifications of natural phenomena, &c. (3) District gods—more or less widely known. (4) Inferior beings—deified ancestors, “families,” demons, of local fame.

A number of the fourth-class atua were what are known as atua kahu. These were the spirits of still-born children, and such spirits were believed to be peculiarly malignant, hence they were often conciliated and utilized as tribal war-gods. Women sometimes acted as mediums of these parental, ancestral, or foetus spirits.

http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-BesMaor-c4.html

  • Is it possible, that the Claire's baby could have been used to this purpose?


The most important offerings made to the gods are represented by human sacrifice. This custom is one that calls for close examination, as certain cases described as illustrations of human sacrifice were simply non-ceremonial killings in connection with food-supply. Ceremonial or ritual human sacrifice was by no means a common occurrence among the Maori. Human beings were occasionally sacrificed both in war and peace; sometimes as direct offerings to the gods, rarely for purposes of divination. Another custom was the slaying of a person in order to add éclat to some social or ceremonial function; this was a fairly common procedure. In some cases slaves provided the necessary victim; in others a raid was made against a neighbouring tribe; but in some cases a member of the same tribe was slain. In this latter case the victim would not be a member of the same hapu or subtribe as his slayers. In war, the first enemy slain was tapu, and his heart was offered to the war-god. Other occasions on which a human sacrifice was sometimes made were—(1) the building of an important house; (2) the launching of a new war-canoe; (3) the completion of a new pa, or fortified village; (4) in connection with agriculture. Human beings were slain in connection with certain other functions, but apparently merely to add importance to such meetings—that is, to the leading persons concerned in them.

http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-BesMaor-c4.html

  • Maybe The Others are slaying people as a sacrifices? ;-)


The Godstick

In former times, the "tiki wananga", or the godstick, was used for rites. It was usually fashioned in wood with a tiki at its head, and leading to a pointed base. For ritualistic occasions, cords and red feathers adorned the godstick making it become alive, so to speak. The spirit of the particular god represented then entered into the godstick, and at this point the godstick became the intermediary between the priest and the spirit with whom the priest wished to make contact.

Only priests or qualified persons could use the godstick. Before calling upon a deity, the priest would either thrust the godstick into the ground, or hold it. He would then call upon the deity concerned to bless or help the tribe.

http://history-nz.org/maori6.html

  • Godstick / Jesus Stick?


Number 8 wire - The conversion of New Zealand bush into farms created the need for a lot of fences. The preferred wire was known as No 8 gauge, but it was also put to other uses such as a replacement handle of a bucket. No 8 wire represents "Kiwi ingenuity." a quality that was born out of isolation and lack of infrastructure in New Zealand's early history. It was simply a matter of "making do" or going without. Kiwis came up with some absolute ingenious creations.

http://www.virtualoceania.net/newzealand/culture/kiwiana/

  • Well, this is more like trivia or sth.




Yeah, I know ;-) All of this sound more like "fiction" rather than "science" ;-)


Chickens?[]

Is it okay if I remove your chicken reference. When I put animals I meant those that had an association other than food. If they turn out to be magic chickens or killer chickens feel free to put them back in.

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