Talk: Blast door map

Just thought I'd kick off the discussion. How 'bout that map, eh? Woo boy! Let the speculation begin! --Joezoo 22:54, 29 March 2006 (PST)

"The Neptune Station could be an underwater station. This could be where the power line that Sayid found in the first season leads to as well as where the shark with the dharma logo came from. "

Insiderscoop (from the abc forum) said there is no underwater hatch , and another spoiler said , there is no logo on the shark!

from The_Logos#The_Shark

It has been reported, that in reruns of the show, this logo was removed from the shark in the according episode, possibly it had no significance for the show. It could be that it was just a practical joke of the film team or that it was done wrong, which would account for the difference to the logo on the canteen.

The producers have said the effects team put it there without the producers approval, causing it to be removed from future airings. This coincides with the different appearance of the logos in this section.

Maybe it should be added also by The_Shark

a very good episode :D

--Cool Man 0912 04:20, 30 March 2006 (PST)

I've heard that story about the shark logo being a mistake a few times now, but I've yet to see any source cited. (That's a pretty big liberty for a special effects crew to take, and I doubt it just "slipped through" the proofing process without any of the producers noticing.) Can someone provide a link? Until then, I say the logo is canon. --Joezoo 05:28, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Just because the production team didn't approve the logofying of the shark, it doesn't mean it didn't hold any significance. It could just as easily mean that it's a too big a spoiler too soon. Also, by someone writing something in any forum, official or not, doesn't make whatever they wrote the absolute truth. I don't see anything here that discounts any theories 100%. --skks 05:50, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Future interpretations

I've created a l3 subheading to be used as a gathering point for all the pictures. Let's use that instead of uploading every possible picture to this server. --skks 05:05, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Maybe someone can upload this pic of the map. I tried but I´m a rookie here. "www.projectargo.com/lost-wallenhanced3.png" Chop75

Aren't you the one that posted that image for like 7 minutes on the wikipedia entry?. Where did you get that image from?ArgentiumOutlaw 07:27, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Yeah, I totally suck in such things. Found it in a german forum: "www.lost-serie.de/forum" chop75

Well, I can't find it on that site, but either way thanks for the picture, this is much much better than the image we have been using currently. Although some parts seem different than the one we currently have (not perspective wise), and I'm wondering whether it is a real image or an unbelievably good fake. If it is fake, it's one of the best i've ever scene. Anyway, this is a big help. ArgentiumOutlaw 07:46, 30 March 2006 (PST)

It would help the content of the article if most of pictures were linked instead of thumbed, right now we've got n+3 very slightly different pictures of the same thing on the same page. How many do we need? Another thing that doesn't agree with uploading is the people that made these pictures, they might have issues of the pictures being stolen for another site. --skks 22:32, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Magmus's Black Rock

Going by the high quality map that was recently posted (assuming its real), under the label CV III, I read "Known final resting place of Magmus Han__ / Black Rock". I googled magmus and black rock and came up with an enemy in World of Warcraft named Magmus that resides in a place called Blackrock Depths. Either that is a major coincidence, or Damon and Carlton play WoW. ArgentiumOutlaw 08:08, 30 March 2006 (PST)

as a note about the labels, from the looks of it, I think that each of those CV I CV II markers, indicates a location the artist wanted to make notes at. For example, note CV IV is where he thinks 'The Pearl' is (which might be another hatch). ArgentiumOutlaw 08:08, 30 March 2006 (PST)
- I realized that it is actually Magnus, so this doesn't mean anything useful, but its still kinda interesting so i'll leave it here. ArgentiumOutlaw 15:54, 31 March 2006 (PST)

Notes in all caps

I like the idea of transcribing the notes in their entirety (or as much as we can ready, anyway), but the ALL CAPS TEXT IS A BIT JARRING for a wiki page. Shall we convert to something more pleasant? --Joezoo 05:43, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Maybe change it to italic. --skks 06:07, 30 March 2006 (PST)

I think if it was written in caps it should stay in caps... but +1 on italic --BigSteve777 06:17, 30 March 2006 (PST)

We should give names to the different sections of the map, maybe designate each block of writing with a different letter or number (eg the part that says "POSSIBLE CV II - INACTIVE SINCE ACCIDENT" will be location A on the map). We simply mark the map with however many blocks of writing there are, and use that to refer to each bit of writing as we uncover the meanings as they are revealed on the show. Its a good way of getting organized IMO. ArgentiumOutlaw 06:25, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Numbering of Hatches on Main Page

The main page lists the number 7 hatch as being crossed out because it's the aborted hatch. I don't think this is true since it states that station 7 was aborted in the 8 o'clock position because of the water table and that's where the rivers have been drawn. But the scratched out hatch at 11 o'clock could be a demolished hatch or a hatch that was planned and wasn't built or was assumed to be there and was not. The latter is what I think the scratch out was, since the artist has two assumed stations drawn at the 2 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions.

more findings

another deconstructed view of the map can be found here: img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/kimsphotos/lost/243bfbf3.jpg

sursum corda a Latin versicle meaning `lift up your hearts'

Nil actum reputa si quid superest agendum - Don't consider that anything has been done if anything is left to be done.

Liberte te ex Infernus Save Yourself from Hell

Ut sit magna, tamen certa lenta ira deorum est - the wrath of the gods may be great, but it certainly is slow

cogito ergo doteo cogito ergo doleo translates into I think therefore I am depressed

credo nos in fluctu eoden es Credo nos in fluctu eodem esse translates into I think we're on the same wavelength.

mallum consillium quad mutari non potest Malum consilium quod mutari non potest translates into It's a bad plan that can't be changed.

Aegrescit medendo The disease worsens with the treatment. The remedy is worse than the disease

hic sunt dracones which translates to, here are dragons. These simple, etched words signified the end of "discovered" lands, words warning sailors of the uncertainty and dangers of the unknown.

square root of 16, 64 and 225 equals 4, 8, and 15

7 possible hatches

4 in solid lines 3 in dotted lines one of the dotted lined hatches is scribbled out the 4 in solid lines have symbols and names with them (The Staff, The Arrow, The Swan and The Flame) the 2 dotted hatches appear to have C3? and C4? with them, the other dotted hatch which is scribbled out has something written with it but i cant make it out

it also looks like the writing implies that the swan hatrch is for recreational for the DIHG / DIMG teams

and there are dates with years of 00 01 and 05 for failure of the intranet, so it is quite recent, could this map be the workings of Kelvin?

Thanks to the image at [1] (as far as I can tell, it appears to be legit), this is what the text looks like to me, in roughly counter clockwise order:

[...]FOLLOWING AH/MDG INCIDENT
BUT COULD BE #6
CONFIRMED SITE OF CADUCEUS MEDICAL STATION (THE STAFF!)
CADUCEUS STATION BELIVED TO HAVE BEEN ABANDONED DUE TO AH/MDG INCIDENT OF 1985
ESTIMATED TRAVEL TIME INCOMPATABLE WITH 10% DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SURVEY [?]
[...]CATASTROPHIC MALFUNCTION OF C[...]'S SYSTEM
ALLEGED LOCATION OF #4/THE FLAME BUT UNLIKELY DUE TO C[...]S ACTIVITY
ALLEGED LOCATION OF ABORTED #7 LARGE NUMBER OF UNDERGROUND S[...] HEAVY WATER TABLE
ACTIVITY [...] DIH.G.
-CVI HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
NO SAFE LOCATION FOR D[...]/[...] OR INFRASTRUCTURE.
POSSIBLE RECREATION AREA FOR D.I.H.G. TEAMS.
L[...] & EXPLORATION - POSSIBLE SITE FOR GROUND STUDY OF [...] TO VALENCETTI-RELATED RESEARCH ACTIVITY.
MULTIPLE [...] CONDUITS BLOCKED AFTER INCIDENT
THE SWAN [...] OF 6 (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) SITE OF H.G. DELEGATION INSPECTION 12.07.81.
[...]-WIDE [...] OF [...] DHARMATEL INTRANET 4.08.00, 8.15.01, 01.06.0[?] - COMPLETE SHUTDOWN IN EFFECT.
P.R.D. EVERY 6-8 MONTHS
FATALITIES: 5
POSSIBLE CV II - INACTIVE SINCE ACCIDENT.
NO CONNECTION TO ISLANDWIDE E.E.P. NETWORK
STATED GOAL, [...] ACCELERATED DE-TERRITORIAL [...] OF U[...] MARIT[...] GENE THEREPY AND EXTREME CLIMATE CHANGE
REV-[...] POSSIBLE LOCATION OF ZOOLOGICAL RESEARCH FACILITY.
ACTIVITY MINIMAL DURING LOCKDOWN AND RES[...] PROCEDURES
KNOWN FINAL RESTING PLACE OF MAGNUS HANSO/BLACK ROCK.
SIGHTINGS COINCIDE WITH EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN OF INTRANET SERVICES [...] OF HEIGHTENED SECURITY
PRIMARY NEXUS OF C[...]-RELATED ACTIVITY
CV III
THE PEARL?
CV VI?
HIGH POTENTIAL FOR R.V.S.
-INTERFERENCE MIGHT ALSO PREVENT LOCATION FROM USE AS LISTENING STATION/CRYPTOGRAPHY [...] RESEARCH /ANALYSIS
GEOLOGICAL COMPOSITION LIKELY TO CAUSE MAGNETIC INTERFERENCE WITH W[...] PROJECT
M[...]IC TERRAIN MOST LIKELY USED BY DT H [...] FOR METEOROLOGICAL RESEARCH DUE TO [...]
SUSPECTED SHUT DOWN [...] 10.28 84
[...] LIGHT INDUSTRIAL REQUIREMENT
SUBTERRANIAN CONDUIT?
SO MANY [...] LOCATION

Sirius 08:13, 30 March 2006 (PST)

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Funny note, the words ursus maritimus appear in that recent image, and if you look it up, it is a constellation called the "Polar Bear".ArgentiumOutlaw 08:26, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Cerberus or Cadeceus

File:Cantell.png

I'm not quite sure, but I believe there was a mistake made on the this map, where it says "Cerberus station believed to have been abandoned...", I think the first word is actually Cadeceus, you can tell by looking at this one, and the last 3 letters are clearly "eus", so it cant be cerberus. Although some of the other letters don't match up to cadeceus either, so I'm not sure. ArgentiumOutlaw 08:54, 30 March 2006 (PST)
- It looks like "CER..RUS to me. Sirius 09:15, 30 March 2006 (PST)
  - I dont think so, that 3rd letter from the right is an E, unless it is very badly written (any letter can look like any other with bad enough handwriting). Here is a pic comparing the two. Also, the way the rest of the map speaks about Cerberus, it seems unlikely that there is a "Cerberus Station", and that Cerberus is by my speculation simply the security system (black cloud). ArgentiumOutlaw 09:40, 30 March 2006 (PST)

I guess this means that everyone agrees that it is Caduceus, since the main page now says that. I'll remove this section eventually, unless there are any objections. (this section does not discuss anything that could be useful info in the future.) ArgentiumOutlaw 23:38, 1 April 2006 (PST)

Center Area?

Are there any current theories on the central area? The large area with the '?' on it. Even up on the island, would that area have any sigicence? I partially ask because the map reminds me alot of Myst, and a big thing of Myst (or at least in the Mechanical Age) was a large hub in the middle that would rotate and allow you to acccess each area. Is this a possible option of the island? Because wouldn't the people not want to actually go on the surface, but rather just travel through an intersection? But then again, the island may be to large, and if there isnt anything found in the Swan area...

Just an idea.

Oh, and did the tail enders ever enter the Arrow section, or did they just hang outside? I can't remember...

Wikipedia Articles for deletion

I'm not sure if this is something that might concern anyone here, but the UV map at wikipedia is nominated for deletion. So if you are a member of wikipedia and you didn't know, I thought some of you might want to help organize the structure of wikipedia by posting your thoughts/votes.

Here is a link to the discussion page where people have posted their opinions, and it is where you can speak your mind on how they should organize the articles. UV Map Deletion Discussion Page

The wikipedians are very wary of speculations and I can't blame them. They got a totally different policy on these kind of things. But I think it's gonna give them a bit of a headache finding out what's fact and what's speculation over the map when merging the articles. ^_^ --Jambalaya 09:30, 31 March 2006 (PST)

I AM HERE

I was thinking about the other 'work of art' in the Swan.

Does anything in the writing or design of the blast door map have any visual connection to the mural? The handwritten 42 on the door and the drawn 42 on the mural are different in the shape of the characters, but is there anything that might connect them.

What worries me is we get something like the mural and we have had no explantion about it at all and i think thats whats going to happen with this Map too. Worse still its gonan be hard for them to lower the door again to read it, even if Locke decides to tell anyone. There could be a room above of course where the blast door goes too.. but not likely. --MRNasher

Magnus Hanso & De Groot: The box of Secrets

In the blast door map, we see someone refered as "Magnus Hanso", with this new information, I have strong reasons to believe that this whole idea is connected to the box of secrets of the alchemists.

Albertus Magnus was one of the greatest alchemists of all time, and allegedly discovered the secret to the Philosopher's stone. His real name was Albert De Groot (Can this be a coincidence?!).

Quoting from the Albertus Magnus site:

His writings indicate that after he completed the construction of his first "Box of Secrets", Albertus began a thirty year long task of building an automaton which he named "Android". Using the "...angels from the netherworld..." and the powers of the philosophers stone he created the "metals and material unknown to this world..." and chose them "according to the stars and planets...". The android was instilled with the powers of speech, thought, and according to some reports a SOUL. Upon completion of this project, his student St. Thomas, destroyed the "diabolic being" and denounced it as "...a tool of satan and a blasphemy to God.

This could be a possible link to the title of the shows production company "Bad Robot", and that the numbers relate to the positioning of stars within ursa major which have been claimed to be the location of each station.-- Morrison

According to the records of death for the year of 1280 Albertus' body was laid to rest. However, further investigation reveals that his puzzle boxes continued to appear throughout the centuries. The writings of Philip LeMarchand, in fact, speak of " The Magnus" showing him how to unlock the secrets of the world as well as how to construct " ...a toy of magical properties. "

It is interesting to notice that the Box of secrets had 6 sides, just like the map of the hatch, and according to the diaries of Magnus:

Encrusted with the various symbols of alchemy and the signs of the planets, the box promises wealth and knowledge equaled only by God himself. It is said that when the signs and symbols have been arranged into "...the shape of The Master's Plan" shall open the "portals to the other side."

Maybe Alvar Hanso the De groot are directly related, or the same person and this whole map indicates the portal mentioned in the whisper transcripts, leading to an underground society? -- Pazuzu47

So are you talking about the real Albertus Magnus or a fictional one that relates to Barker's Hellbound Heart? -- Carl

The text pasted has a lot of Clive Barker in it, it might be possible that some parts of Lost are inspired by it but any direct similarities might be called plagiarism. In any case, this is all fiction and I don't think it qualifies even for a theory. Sounds more like Alias anyway. --skks 11:45, 31 March 2006 (PST)

I disagree with every opinion skks just gave, this is a very interesting theory and has enough possible connections and odd coincidences to be a very legitimate theory. You might want to organize your info and put it in the main article, imo. ArgentiumOutlaw 15:43, 31 March 2006 (PST)

I guess my point was that due to the copyright nature of Clive Barker's work, I don't think it's plausable. Unless they're willing to pay Clive Barker royalties, which I doubt. --skks 07:21, 3 April 2006 (PDT)

Why make the map on the door

Why would someone detail this information on the blast door where it would be useless except for every once in a (seemingly distant) while when the doors shut unless they had a way to manually lower the doors whenever they wanted? This would make more sense as it would allow total privacy whenever the information was in plain view. It would make sense for there to be a means of lowering the doors manually, probably from within the room which is locked down. (Pbaehr)

I think that the station's previous inhibitants have scribbled down the notes when they were locked down themselves. They just used the door as a huge canvas. It's hard to tell who's done it though and why they risked it by not pushing the button. --Jambalaya 10:24, 31 March 2006 (PST)

If there's a connection between the button and the blast door coming down.

Or one of the Hatch's inhabitants could have figured out a way to lower and raise the blast doors, or possibly even just that one. JakeApple 18:07, 1 April 2006 (PST)

The Valenzetti Domains

Sorry for editing directly without posting, and thanks for correcting my imperfect english. What do you think about the val domains? Mahonar 06:56, 3 April 2006 (PDT)

In regard to the various Valenzetti domains that were registered on 26 March 2006, I did a Whois search (www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp) for them. They are all registered to Domain Discreet; P.O. Box 278; Yarmouth, NS B5A 4B2; CA. I Googled Domain Discreet, and found no information on them. I would assume that they are a proxy registrar, not unlike GoDaddy's Domains by Proxy. Additionally, ABC-SITES.COM is registered to an individual in Bedford, Great Britian, so my guess is that it is not related to the Valenzetti domains. JakeApple 18:29, 1 April 2006 (PST)

You probably waited for this: this article is too long

I think this article is getting too long. I propose to split it. The Lockdown description is already on the lockdown incident page, so that could be moved. maybe we should split off several of the topics on the map like "Blast Door Map: Theories,Blast Door Map: Formulas,Blast Door Map: Written Text,..." ? --aurora glacialis 05:17, 2 April 2006 (PDT)

The map definitely needs its own topic, agreed. --kaini

I gave up on the article on the day it was created. Everyone seems to have forgot that you can edit the whole article at one go instead of editing each section n+2 times, it's close to impossible to keep track of all the changes. Go for the split, I pity the person who has to do it though. --skks 07:23, 3 April 2006 (PDT)

Well - maybe we should wait a couple of days or until the next show for people to blurt out all their theories about this and then clean it up once the edit activity goes down a bit ;-) --aurora glacialis 12:53, 3 April 2006 (PDT)

Different colours on the map?

under blacklight. surely this would require either more than one of the candidate substances mentioned in the article, or else a proper blacklight marker kit or something along those lines? --kaini

The Valenzetti Foundation

I googled for Enzo Valenzetti today, and found this blog.

Inside it there is a note:

HOT: VALENZETTI IS NOT DEAD! "Life is an equation that death has so far failed to solve."

-Enzo Valenzetti

by tommyblank, 02:55h

... link (0 comments) ... comment

Which links to the Valenzetti Foundation site!!! Is this legit!? - Pazuzu47

Cerberus security system (explanation for 75% of wall)

Cerebus: In Greek mythology, the three-headed watchdog who guards the entrance to the lower world, the Hades. It is a child of the giant Typhon and Echidna, a monstrous creature herself, being half woman and half snake.

Originally, the dog was portrayed having fifty or hundred heads but was later pictured with only three heads (and sometimes with the tail of a serpent). Cerberus permitted new spirits to enter the realm of dead, but allowed none of them to leave. Only a few ever managed to sneak past the creature, among which Orpheus, who lulled it to sleep by playing his lyre, and Heracles, who brought it to the land of the living for a while (being the last of his Twelve Labors).

Cerberus is also a common name for dog-faced water snakes, a genus of water snakes in the family colubridae.

Typhon: Typhon is the offspring of Gaia and Tartarus. His mate is Echidna and both were so fearful that when the gods saw them they changed into animals and fled in terror. Typhon's hundred, horrible heads touched the stars, venom dripped from his evil eyes, and lava and red-hot stones poured from his gaping mouths. Hissing like a hundred snakes and roaring like a hundred lions, he tore up whole mountains and threw them at the gods.

Zeus soon regained his courage and turned, and when the other gods saw him taking his stand, they came back to help him fight the monster. A terrible battle raged, and hardly a living creature was left on Earth. But Zeus was fated to win, and as Typhon tore up huge Mount Aetna to hurl at the gods, Zeus struck it with a hundred well-aimed thunderbolts and the mountain fell back, pinning Typhon underneath. There the monster lies to this very day, belching fire, lava and smoke through the top of the mountain.

Echidna, his hideous mate, escaped destruction. She cowered in a cave, protecting Typhon's offspring, and Zeus let them live as a challenge to future heroes. Echidna and Typhon's children are the Nemean Lion, Cerberus, Ladon, the Chimera, the Sphinx, and the Hydra.

--

From this description, we can surmise that the ‘smoke monster’ is called Cerberus. The description of the mythical beast is too apt a description for the creature we’ve already seen. I included the bit about Typhon because I thought Lost writers may see a connection to “Zeus struck it with a hundred well-aimed thunderbolts and the mountain fell back, pinning Typhon underneath. There the monster lies to this very day, belching fire, lava and smoke through the top of the mountain.” Tropical islands in the pacific are formed by volcanoes. It’s possible that the description of “well-aimed thunderbolts” pinning something underneath that “lies there to this very day, belching fire, lava and smoke through the top of a mountain” could have had special significance to Dharma and part of the reason for naming the smoke monster, Cerberus.

Interestingly enough, you could argue that Locke is a metaphor for Orpheus and Eko is metaphor for Heracles. Orpheus, whose “songs could charm wild beasts and coax even rocks and trees into movement” traveled to Hades to bring back his wife. He was allowed to leave with his wife, but violated a condition of his stay and lost her again. Locke has certainly ‘charmed wild beasts” and he is clearly lost someone dear to him in his flashbacks. Eko also bears a striking resemblance to the legendary hero Heracles. The biggest connection, of course, is that they are the only two people (we know about) who have faced down the smoke monster.

On the blacklight wall, from about 2:00 to 9:00, we see a bunch of what appears to be tunnels. From the positions of the various text written about Cerberus, it all appears to be next to the position of these tunnels. My belief is that these tunnels are how the Cerberus travels around the island. It’s also possible that they are underwater springs or waterways, rather than tunnels. In fact, the text at 8:00 says “large number of underwater springs heavywater table” and could be implying that these are underground waterways.

Between 3:00 and 6:00, we see the largest grouping of these tunnels or waterways. As if to confirm the idea that the tunnels are a transport for Cerberus, it is written “primary nexus of Cerberus related activity”. Additionally, the comment, “there are dragons here” seems to be warning off travelers from the area because of the high activity. Now consider that the Lostaways needed to travel through the ‘dangerous country’ to get to the Black Rock, which (from the map) is also indicated as being near the center of this Cerberus activity. At 3:00, near the center, it is written “a mouse does not rely on just one hole” in latin and may be talking about how the Cerberus gets around the island.

However, we also know from the map that Cerberus is not limited to that area. There are two references to Cerberus at 9:00 near the “flame”. One says, “but unlikely due to Cerebus activity” and the other says, “Caduceus station believed to be abandoned due to AH/MDG incident of 1985 or possible catastrophic malfunction of the Cerberus system”. This would seem to indicate that the Cerberus can likely travel through the tunnels to the area at 9:00.

Even beyond the more obvious mentions of Cerberus, I believe many of the vaguer comments are indirectly referencing it. At 4:00, right next to the Cerberus nexus of activity, it is written that “sightings coincide with emergency shutdown of INTRANET SERVICES OF HIEGHTENED SECURITY”. It would make sense they are talking about a ‘sighting’ of the Cerberus. If this is the case, then we may be seeing references to why (at 8:00) there is “no safe location dharmatel servers/hub/cabling for infrastructure” and “activity unstable for D.I.H.G.”

Now let’s consider what the Cerberus may be guarding. In the areas surrounded by the tunnels, we find the CV I, CV II, CV III and CV IV boxes. These only appear where these tunnels are located, which leads me to believe that they are tied together somehow. One of the things we know from Danielle and others is that there is a virus of some sort on the island. The blacklight wall has at least one references to a disease, at 10:00, it’s written “the disease worsens with the treatment, the remedy is worse than the cure.” My thought is that the “V” in CV stands for VIRUS. I also believe it has a double meaning as a roman numeral. The Lost creators are certainly no strangers to odd connections, so a double meaning here makes sense to me.

Next to each of the CV boxes is what appears to be a control room. The X’s blocking off the tunnels are obviously the “multiple escape conduits blocked after incident” referred to at 7:00.

At one time, the control room at CV I at 6:30 looks like it was connected to the Lostaway’s swan hatch. However, now the passages are blocked to CV I and it appears completely sealed from outside access. I would argue that this is why there is a note that says “CV I highly unlikely” at 8:00.

CV II is next to the swan hatch and likely could have been controlled from that location. However, the note saying “possible CV II – inactive since accident” seems to indicate that CV II is inactive and that the hatch inhabitants shouldn’t be concerned about it.

That leaves CV III sitting right next to the Swan hatch with apparently nothing stopping it from accessing the hatch inhabitants. You’ll note that “Save Yourself from Hell” is written right next to CV III. The Cerberus of Greek legend guarded Hades or Hell. If CV III is a virus, or something just as bad, then letting it out would be “cause to die”. Coincidently, CV III is the Roman numeral equivalent for 108—the same number on the hatch timer—which is the sum of 4-8-15-16-23-42. Needless to say, pushing the button every 108 minutes might save you from hell by keeping you from dying.

My supposition is that the “incident” may have been CV II getting released because someone used the computers for something other than punching the buttons. It’s been “inactive” because it already got out and there is no reason to try to keep it in. Perhaps it was the CV II virus that killed Daniel’s shipmates. Most people have been assuming that PRD is referencing the supply drop. But what if it’s actually to the virus. PRD could easily mean mean Pneumonic Respiratory DEATH after 6-8 months of getting exposed to the CV II virus. I find it interesting that “5 fatality” is listed right below, possibly indicating that they didn’t take the drug after exposure to the virus and died after 6-8 months.

On the right, at 4:00 and 2:00 are two hatches with dotted lines. I agree with the consensus that these were undiscovered hatches the map maker knew existed, but didn’t know where. I believe the “C4?” reference at 4:00 is indicating that the mapmaker suspected the computer room that controls containment of the CV IV virus is located at that hatch. The “C3?” reference at 2:00 would similarly indicate a computer room that controlled CV III. But wait! CV III is controlled at the Lostaway swan hatch, right? Yes—but the latin line at “C3?” says “I think we're on the same wavelength” which would seem to indicate that are connected to each other and may BOTH control CV III. We KNOW the computer is connected to another location on the island (Michael communicated with Walt). It likely that that Walt is located at the hatch indicated by the “C3?”.

As an alternative theory to my virus thoughts, CV could represent “Cerberus Vent”. Following the same logic as my above theory, there could be four different Cerberus smoke monsters originally contained at CV I, CV II, CV III, and CV IV. The CV I monster would still be contained in the blocked passages of the control room at CV I. CV II would be an escaped Cerberus resulting from the computer incident (described in the virus theory) that caused it’s release. This would be the Cerberus “on the loose” that has already encountered the Lostaways. CV III would be a third Cerberus that is being kept contained by the 108 virus. CV IV would assumingly be controlled by the computer room in the “C4?” hatch. The tunnels (or waterways) remain the primary method of travel for the Cerberus released in the CV II incident.

However, I still think it’s more likely the CV represents the virus, not the shadow monster. From the writing “Caduceus station believed to be abandoned due to AH/MDG incident of 1985 or possible catastrophic malfunction of the Cerberus system,” we can tell that the author is simply speculating that it was either shut down because of the AH/MDG incident or the Cerberus malfunction. The fact that he has separated these events tells us that the “incident of 1985” is NOT the Cerberus malfunction.

On another note, I will say that I think each of the CV viruses is a DIFFERENT strain—not four different location for the same virus. That would seem like the only logical reason for putting them at different locations and numbering them.

Known Inaccuracies of the version 1) At 9:00 under the flame, it should be the square root of 225, not 255. 2) At 4:00 under "Save yourself from Hell," the text CV III is actually enclosed in a box like CV I, CV II and CV IV.

Well - I like the image, but besides that - these theories have many flaws. For one, I do not believe that whole issue to be too complex. It may be complex, but I am fairly certain, that it will not be different strains of viruses or anything like that. Rmember that Lost is basically a show in the genre of Mindfuck and many of the movies from this genre acually live on a simple solution to a seemingly complex riddle.

What strikes me about the map - That straight lines - could that be symbols for Dharmatel connections rather than underground tunnels (they are too straight to be actual island structures)? And what do the crosses on each of the bunkes stand for? Entrances??? And another one: Why is the layout of the Stations not accurate? I know that the maps for The Swan and Medical Station are fan-made, but they can't be off by so much as it seems in this map. --aurora glacialis 12:52, 3 April 2006 (PDT)

I like some parts of your theory, but I agree that there appear to be many flaws. For one thing, I dont like the idea of there being 4 viruses (the vial doesn't suggest that its 1 of 4 possible vaccines or anything like that) and 4 cerberuses, if i understood you correctly. It doesnt seem to be in the Lost style. I for one think there will end up being more than one cloud monster, but nothing in this drawing really suggests that. I mean, the cloud moves really fast and is hard to see, so its not that unlikely that it travels above ground a lot (even though in Exodus, it goes underground when pulling Locke). I also doubt that clearly electronic equipment would travel with 'hot springs', doesn't really fit.

Also, the Locke Eko mythology connection is kind of stretching it, eg. the point of Orpheus' story was quite different than Locke's love story. Also, PRD notes "EVERY 6-8 months", this implies a cyclic behavior, which doesn't fit with your 'dying after 6-8 months' theory. Although it doesn't make much sense to be the ration drop either (with the parachute) because I got the impression that Desmond was way too scared to go outside (thinking the outside was contaminated), and he'd been there for more than 6-8 months, so either Kelvin restocked without letting Desmond see (possibly during a lockdown), or I misunderstood Desmond's fear of the 'Quarantine'.

As for the CVs, it makes most sense that those are magnet related. The video says that The Swan monitors the magnetism of "this sector of the island", and we see at least 3 of them very close to the Swan. One of them is farther away from the swan, which would explain why he said that instead of "monitors the magnetic fluctuations of the whole island".ArgentiumOutlaw 16:19, 3 April 2006 (PDT)

Vents

From this week's podcast, there was an interesting quote from Carlton talking about the map:

"You've got all the Dharma stations are on there, you've got these vents..."

Seems to add credence to CV = _____ Vents, Cerberus perhaps...? --Jmast7 19:31, 3 April 2006 (EST)