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Just thought I'd kick off the discussion. How 'bout that map, eh? Woo boy! Let the speculation begin! --Joezoo 22:54, 29 March 2006 (PST)


"The Neptune Station could be an underwater station. This could be where the power line that Sayid found in the first season leads to as well as where the shark with the dharma logo came from. "

Insiderscoop (from the abc forum) said there is no underwater hatch , and another spoiler said , there is no logo on the shark!

from The_Logos#The_Shark


It has been reported, that in reruns of the show, this logo was removed from the shark in the according episode, possibly it had no significance for the show. It could be that it was just a practical joke of the film team or that it was done wrong, which would account for the difference to the logo on the canteen.

The producers have said the effects team put it there without the producers approval, causing it to be removed from future airings. This coincides with the different appearance of the logos in this section.

Maybe it should be added also by The_Shark

a very good episode :D

--Cool Man 0912 04:20, 30 March 2006 (PST)

I've heard that story about the shark logo being a mistake a few times now, but I've yet to see any source cited. (That's a pretty big liberty for a special effects crew to take, and I doubt it just "slipped through" the proofing process without any of the producers noticing.) Can someone provide a link? Until then, I say the logo is canon. --Joezoo 05:28, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Just because the production team didn't approve the logofying of the shark, it doesn't mean it didn't hold any significance. It could just as easily mean that it's a too big a spoiler too soon. Also, by someone writing something in any forum, official or not, doesn't make whatever they wrote the absolute truth. I don't see anything here that discounts any theories 100%. --skks 05:50, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Future interpretations

I've created a l3 subheading to be used as a gathering point for all the pictures. Let's use that instead of uploading every possible picture to this server. --skks 05:05, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Maybe someone can upload this pic of the map. I tried but I´m a rookie here. "www.projectargo.com/lost-wallenhanced3.png" Chop75

  • Aren't you the one that posted that image for like 7 minutes on the wikipedia entry?. Where did you get that image from?ArgentiumOutlaw 07:27, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Yeah, I totally suck in such things. Found it in a german forum: "www.lost-serie.de/forum" chop75

  • Well, I can't find it on that site, but either way thanks for the picture, this is much much better than the image we have been using currently. Although some parts seem different than the one we currently have (not perspective wise), and I'm wondering whether it is a real image or an unbelievably good fake. If it is fake, it's one of the best i've ever scene. Anyway, this is a big help. ArgentiumOutlaw 07:46, 30 March 2006 (PST)

It would help the content of the article if most of pictures were linked instead of thumbed, right now we've got n+3 very slightly different pictures of the same thing on the same page. How many do we need? Another thing that doesn't agree with uploading is the people that made these pictures, they might have issues of the pictures being stolen for another site. --skks 22:32, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Magmus's Black Rock

Going by the high quality map that was recently posted (assuming its real), under the label CV III, I read "Known final resting place of Magmus Han__ / Black Rock". I googled magmus and black rock and came up with an enemy in World of Warcraft named Magmus that resides in a place called Blackrock Depths. Either that is a major coincidence, or Damon and Carlton play WoW. ArgentiumOutlaw 08:08, 30 March 2006 (PST)

  • as a note about the labels, from the looks of it, I think that each of those CV I CV II markers, indicates a location the artist wanted to make notes at. For example, note CV IV is where he thinks 'The Pearl' is (which might be another hatch). ArgentiumOutlaw 08:08, 30 March 2006 (PST)
    • I realized that it is actually Magnus, so this doesn't mean anything useful, but its still kinda interesting so i'll leave it here. ArgentiumOutlaw 15:54, 31 March 2006 (PST)

Notes in all caps

I like the idea of transcribing the notes in their entirety (or as much as we can ready, anyway), but the ALL CAPS TEXT IS A BIT JARRING for a wiki page. Shall we convert to something more pleasant? --Joezoo 05:43, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Maybe change it to italic. --skks 06:07, 30 March 2006 (PST)

I think if it was written in caps it should stay in caps... but +1 on italic --BigSteve777 06:17, 30 March 2006 (PST)

We should give names to the different sections of the map, maybe designate each block of writing with a different letter or number (eg the part that says "POSSIBLE CV II - INACTIVE SINCE ACCIDENT" will be location A on the map). We simply mark the map with however many blocks of writing there are, and use that to refer to each bit of writing as we uncover the meanings as they are revealed on the show. Its a good way of getting organized IMO. ArgentiumOutlaw 06:25, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Numbering of Hatches on Main Page

The main page lists the number 7 hatch as being crossed out because it's the aborted hatch. I don't think this is true since it states that station 7 was aborted in the 8 o'clock position because of the water table and that's where the rivers have been drawn. But the scratched out hatch at 11 o'clock could be a demolished hatch or a hatch that was planned and wasn't built or was assumed to be there and was not. The latter is what I think the scratch out was, since the artist has two assumed stations drawn at the 2 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions.

more findings

another deconstructed view of the map can be found here: img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/kimsphotos/lost/243bfbf3.jpg

sursum corda a Latin versicle meaning `lift up your hearts'

Nil actum reputa si quid superest agendum - Don't consider that anything has been done if anything is left to be done.

Liberte te ex Infernus Save Yourself from Hell


Ut sit magna, tamen certa lenta ira deorum est - the wrath of the gods may be great, but it certainly is slow

cogito ergo doteo cogito ergo doleo translates into I think therefore I am depressed

credo nos in fluctu eoden es Credo nos in fluctu eodem esse translates into I think we're on the same wavelength.

mallum consillium quad mutari non potest Malum consilium quod mutari non potest translates into It's a bad plan that can't be changed.

Aegrescit medendo The disease worsens with the treatment. The remedy is worse than the disease

hic sunt dracones which translates to, here are dragons. These simple, etched words signified the end of "discovered" lands, words warning sailors of the uncertainty and dangers of the unknown.

square root of 16, 64 and 225 equals 4, 8, and 15

7 possible hatches

4 in solid lines 3 in dotted lines one of the dotted lined hatches is scribbled out the 4 in solid lines have symbols and names with them (The Staff, The Arrow, The Swan and The Flame) the 2 dotted hatches appear to have C3? and C4? with them, the other dotted hatch which is scribbled out has something written with it but i cant make it out

it also looks like the writing implies that the swan hatrch is for recreational for the DIHG / DIMG teams

and there are dates with years of 00 01 and 05 for failure of the intranet, so it is quite recent, could this map be the workings of Kelvin?


Thanks to the image at [1] (as far as I can tell, it appears to be legit), this is what the text looks like to me, in roughly counter clockwise order:

  • [...]FOLLOWING AH/MDG INCIDENT
  • BUT COULD BE #6
  • CONFIRMED SITE OF CADUCEUS MEDICAL STATION (THE STAFF!)
  • CADUCEUS STATION BELIVED TO HAVE BEEN ABANDONED DUE TO AH/MDG INCIDENT OF 1985
  • ESTIMATED TRAVEL TIME INCOMPATABLE WITH 10% DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SURVEY [?]
  • [...]CATASTROPHIC MALFUNCTION OF C[...]'S SYSTEM
  • ALLEGED LOCATION OF #4/THE FLAME BUT UNLIKELY DUE TO C[...]S ACTIVITY
  • ALLEGED LOCATION OF ABORTED #7 LARGE NUMBER OF UNDERGROUND S[...] HEAVY WATER TABLE
  • ACTIVITY [...] DIH.G.
  • -CVI HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
  • NO SAFE LOCATION FOR D[...]/[...] OR INFRASTRUCTURE.
  • POSSIBLE RECREATION AREA FOR D.I.H.G. TEAMS.
  • L[...] & EXPLORATION - POSSIBLE SITE FOR GROUND STUDY OF [...] TO VALENCETTI-RELATED RESEARCH ACTIVITY.
  • MULTIPLE [...] CONDUITS BLOCKED AFTER INCIDENT
  • THE SWAN [...] OF 6 (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) SITE OF H.G. DELEGATION INSPECTION 12.07.81.
  • [...]-WIDE [...] OF [...] DHARMATEL INTRANET 4.08.00, 8.15.01, 01.06.0[?] - COMPLETE SHUTDOWN IN EFFECT.
  • P.R.D. EVERY 6-8 MONTHS
  • FATALITIES: 5
  • POSSIBLE CV II - INACTIVE SINCE ACCIDENT.
  • NO CONNECTION TO ISLANDWIDE E.E.P. NETWORK
  • STATED GOAL, [...] ACCELERATED DE-TERRITORIAL [...] OF U[...] MARIT[...] GENE THEREPY AND EXTREME CLIMATE CHANGE
  • REV-[...] POSSIBLE LOCATION OF ZOOLOGICAL RESEARCH FACILITY.
  • ACTIVITY MINIMAL DURING LOCKDOWN AND RES[...] PROCEDURES
  • KNOWN FINAL RESTING PLACE OF MAGNUS HANSO/BLACK ROCK.
  • SIGHTINGS COINCIDE WITH EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN OF INTRANET SERVICES [...] OF HEIGHTENED SECURITY
  • PRIMARY NEXUS OF C[...]-RELATED ACTIVITY
  • CV III
  • THE PEARL?
  • CV VI?
  • HIGH POTENTIAL FOR R.V.S.
  • -INTERFERENCE MIGHT ALSO PREVENT LOCATION FROM USE AS LISTENING STATION/CRYPTOGRAPHY [...] RESEARCH /ANALYSIS
  • GEOLOGICAL COMPOSITION LIKELY TO CAUSE MAGNETIC INTERFERENCE WITH W[...] PROJECT
  • M[...]IC TERRAIN MOST LIKELY USED BY DT H [...] FOR METEOROLOGICAL RESEARCH DUE TO [...]
  • SUSPECTED SHUT DOWN [...] 10.28 84
  • [...] LIGHT INDUSTRIAL REQUIREMENT
  • SUBTERRANIAN CONDUIT?
  • SO MANY [...] LOCATION

Sirius 08:13, 30 March 2006 (PST)


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  • Funny note, the words ursus maritimus appear in that recent image, and if you look it up, it is a constellation called the "Polar Bear".ArgentiumOutlaw 08:26, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Cerberus or Cadeceus

File:Cantell.png
  • I'm not quite sure, but I believe there was a mistake made on the this map, where it says "Cerberus station believed to have been abandoned...", I think the first word is actually Cadeceus, you can tell by looking at this one, and the last 3 letters are clearly "eus", so it cant be cerberus. Although some of the other letters don't match up to cadeceus either, so I'm not sure. ArgentiumOutlaw 08:54, 30 March 2006 (PST)
    • It looks like "CER..RUS to me. Sirius 09:15, 30 March 2006 (PST)
      • I dont think so, that 3rd letter from the right is an E, unless it is very badly written (any letter can look like any other with bad enough handwriting). Here is a pic comparing the two. Also, the way the rest of the map speaks about Cerberus, it seems unlikely that there is a "Cerberus Station", and that Cerberus is by my speculation simply the security system (black cloud). ArgentiumOutlaw 09:40, 30 March 2006 (PST)
  • I guess this means that everyone agrees that it is Caduceus, since the main page now says that. I'll remove this section eventually, unless there are any objections. (this section does not discuss anything that could be useful info in the future.) ArgentiumOutlaw 23:38, 1 April 2006 (PST)


Center Area?

Are there any current theories on the central area? The large area with the '?' on it. Even up on the island, would that area have any sigicence? I partially ask because the map reminds me alot of Myst, and a big thing of Myst (or at least in the Mechanical Age) was a large hub in the middle that would rotate and allow you to acccess each area. Is this a possible option of the island? Because wouldn't the people not want to actually go on the surface, but rather just travel through an intersection? But then again, the island may be to large, and if there isnt anything found in the Swan area...

Just an idea.

Oh, and did the tail enders ever enter the Arrow section, or did they just hang outside? I can't remember...


Other Images moved from article page

Let me know if I'm missing anything or made a mistake, or if you have any opinions on how I should organize it differently. Mine is the one with the orange boxes/green text. ArgentiumOutlaw 03:46, 31 March 2006 (PST)

File:Lost uv map2.gif

Another interpretation of the map

File:BlastDoorMap2.jpg

Enhanced version of blast door map. Click to view larger version with detailed notes












Wikipedia Articles for deletion

I'm not sure if this is something that might concern anyone here, but the UV map at wikipedia is nominated for deletion. So if you are a member of wikipedia and you didn't know, I thought some of you might want to help organize the structure of wikipedia by posting your thoughts/votes.

Here is a link to the discussion page where people have posted their opinions, and it is where you can speak your mind on how they should organize the articles. UV Map Deletion Discussion Page

The wikipedians are very wary of speculations and I can't blame them. They got a totally different policy on these kind of things. But I think it's gonna give them a bit of a headache finding out what's fact and what's speculation over the map when merging the articles. ^_^ --Jambalaya 09:30, 31 March 2006 (PST)

I AM HERE

I was thinking about the other 'work of art' in the Swan.

Does anything in the writing or design of the blast door map have any visual connection to the mural? The handwritten 42 on the door and the drawn 42 on the mural are different in the shape of the characters, but is there anything that might connect them.

What worries me is we get something like the mural and we have had no explantion about it at all and i think thats whats going to happen with this Map too. Worse still its gonan be hard for them to lower the door again to read it, even if Locke decides to tell anyone. There could be a room above of course where the blast door goes too.. but not likely. --MRNasher

Magnus Hanso & De Groot: The box of Secrets

In the blast door map, we see someone refered as "Magnus Hanso", with this new information, I have strong reasons to believe that this whole idea is connected to the box of secrets of the alchemists.

Albertus Magnus was one of the greatest alchemists of all time, and allegedly discovered the secret to the Philosopher's stone. His real name was Albert De Groot (Can this be a coincidence?!).

Quoting from the Albertus Magnus site:

His writings indicate that after he completed the construction of his first "Box of Secrets", Albertus began a thirty year long task of building an automaton which he named "Android". Using the "...angels from the netherworld..." and the powers of the philosophers stone he created the "metals and material unknown to this world..." and chose them "according to the stars and planets...". The android was instilled with the powers of speech, thought, and according to some reports a SOUL. Upon completion of this project, his student St. Thomas, destroyed the "diabolic being" and denounced it as "...a tool of satan and a blasphemy to God.

  • This could be a possible link to the title of the shows production company "Bad Robot", and that the numbers relate to the positioning of stars within ursa major which have been claimed to be the location of each station.-- Morrison


According to the records of death for the year of 1280 Albertus' body was laid to rest. However, further investigation reveals that his puzzle boxes continued to appear throughout the centuries. The writings of Philip LeMarchand, in fact, speak of " The Magnus" showing him how to unlock the secrets of the world as well as how to construct " ...a toy of magical properties. "

It is interesting to notice that the Box of secrets had 6 sides, just like the map of the hatch, and according to the diaries of Magnus:

Encrusted with the various symbols of alchemy and the signs of the planets, the box promises wealth and knowledge equaled only by God himself. It is said that when the signs and symbols have been arranged into "...the shape of The Master's Plan" shall open the "portals to the other side."

Maybe Alvar Hanso the De groot are directly related, or the same person and this whole map indicates the portal mentioned in the whisper transcripts, leading to an underground society? -- Pazuzu47

So are you talking about the real Albertus Magnus or a fictional one that relates to Barker's Hellbound Heart? -- Carl

The text pasted has a lot of Clive Barker in it, it might be possible that some parts of Lost are inspired by it but any direct similarities might be called plagiarism. In any case, this is all fiction and I don't think it qualifies even for a theory. Sounds more like Alias anyway. --skks 11:45, 31 March 2006 (PST)

I disagree with every opinion skks just gave, this is a very interesting theory and has enough possible connections and odd coincidences to be a very legitimate theory. You might want to organize your info and put it in the main article, imo. ArgentiumOutlaw 15:43, 31 March 2006 (PST)

Why make the map on the door

Why would someone detail this information on the blast door where it would be useless except for every once in a (seemingly distant) while when the doors shut unless they had a way to manually lower the doors whenever they wanted? This would make more sense as it would allow total privacy whenever the information was in plain view. It would make sense for there to be a means of lowering the doors manually, probably from within the room which is locked down. (Pbaehr)

I think that the station's previous inhibitants have scribbled down the notes when they were locked down themselves. They just used the door as a huge canvas. It's hard to tell who's done it though and why they risked it by not pushing the button. --Jambalaya 10:24, 31 March 2006 (PST)

If there's a connection between the button and the blast door coming down.

Or one of the Hatch's inhabitants could have figured out a way to lower and raise the blast doors, or possibly even just that one. JakeApple 18:07, 1 April 2006 (PST)

The Valenzetti Domains

Sorry for editing directly without posting, and thanks for correcting my imperfect english. What do you think about the val domains? Mahonar 06:56, 3 April 2006 (PDT)

In regard to the various Valenzetti domains that were registered on 26 March 2006, I did a Whois search (www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp) for them. They are all registered to Domain Discreet; P.O. Box 278; Yarmouth, NS B5A 4B2; CA. I Googled Domain Discreet, and found no information on them. I would assume that they are a proxy registrar, not unlike GoDaddy's Domains by Proxy. Additionally, ABC-SITES.COM is registered to an individual in Bedford, Great Britian, so my guess is that it is not related to the Valenzetti domains. JakeApple 18:29, 1 April 2006 (PST)

You probably waited for this: this article is too long

I think this article is getting too long. I propose to split it. The Lockdown description is already on the lockdown incident page, so that could be moved. maybe we should split off several of the topics on the map like "Blast Door Map: Theories,Blast Door Map: Formulas,Blast Door Map: Written Text,..." ? --aurora glacialis 05:17, 2 April 2006 (PDT)

The map definitely needs its own topic, agreed. --kaini


Different colours on the map?

under blacklight. surely this would require either more than one of the candidate substances mentioned in the article, or else a proper blacklight marker kit or something along those lines? --kaini

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